MA: Mideast Audit Resolution of 2014 (Failed)

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

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[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

What exactly is the concern that you have that we are currently wasting money?  What exactly are we doing that is wasteful now?

[Njall]

What exactly is the concern that you have that we are currently wasting money?  What exactly are we doing that is wasteful now?

[PPT Spiral]

What exactly is the concern that you have that we are currently wasting money?  What exactly are we doing that is wasteful now?

I'm curious about this myself. I agree with the principle behind the bill, but it seems unnecessary to do at the moment.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Is there any debate in support of this?  If not, I fail to see why we should support it.

[Potus]

I hadn't seen this come up.


It creates a system that keeps any wasteful spending in check.

Most government waste isn't passed by the Legislature. It commonly occurs in the implementation phase of a legislation's life. An agency needs to train their employees to enact the legislation and they get a little frivolous. The GAO in the real world exists to curb frivolous spending. It's not going to be a budgetary game-changer, but it's smart policy and build public confidence in government.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well a resolution would do nothing to actually change anything.

[Potus]

Getting the executive branch to perform regular audits, because that power lies with the executive branch(in WV at least), will give us a nice list of spending to cut when we write a budget. It gives us a basic level of spending reduction before every budget.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

A resolution can't compel the Governor to do anything.  Only a bill requiring him to do that would.

[Potus]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

We can require that the Mideast Government perform audits; I would argue that falls within our legislative power.  If you disagree, we could always amend the Constitution.  But I see no point to pass a fluff resolution.

While I was never supportive of the Questioning the Power Act, it was never struck down as unconstitutional and that surely had more potential erosion into "Executive Power" than this bill.

[Potus]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

We can require that the Mideast Government perform audits; I would argue that falls within our legislative power.  If you disagree, we could always amend the Constitution.  But I see no point to pass a fluff resolution.

While I was never supportive of the Questioning the Power Act, it was never struck down as unconstitutional and that surely had more potential erosion into "Executive Power" than this bill.

If you think we're able to force audits, I'll rewrite this into a legitimate bill.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

We can require that the Mideast Government perform audits; I would argue that falls within our legislative power.  If you disagree, we could always amend the Constitution.  But I see no point to pass a fluff resolution.

While I was never supportive of the Questioning the Power Act, it was never struck down as unconstitutional and that surely had more potential erosion into "Executive Power" than this bill.

If you think we're able to force audits, I'll rewrite this into a legitimate bill.

I think it would be constitutional; however, I'd like to see a GM analysis to see if it would actually save any money.

[Potus]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

We can require that the Mideast Government perform audits; I would argue that falls within our legislative power.  If you disagree, we could always amend the Constitution.  But I see no point to pass a fluff resolution.

While I was never supportive of the Questioning the Power Act, it was never struck down as unconstitutional and that surely had more potential erosion into "Executive Power" than this bill.

If you think we're able to force audits, I'll rewrite this into a legitimate bill.

I think it would be constitutional; however, I'd like to see a GM analysis to see if it would actually save any money.

Okay, I'll redraft it. And, even if it breaks even, it's good policy. Jon Huntsman always talks about the "trust deficit" people have with government, this helps resolve that.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

We can require that the Mideast Government perform audits; I would argue that falls within our legislative power.  If you disagree, we could always amend the Constitution.  But I see no point to pass a fluff resolution.

While I was never supportive of the Questioning the Power Act, it was never struck down as unconstitutional and that surely had more potential erosion into "Executive Power" than this bill.

If you think we're able to force audits, I'll rewrite this into a legitimate bill.

I think it would be constitutional; however, I'd like to see a GM analysis to see if it would actually save any money.

Okay, I'll redraft it. And, even if it breaks even, it's good policy. Jon Huntsman always talks about the "trust deficit" people have with government, this helps resolve that.

And if it doesn't break even?

[Potus]

We can't very well compel the Governor to do audits, if it's similar to my real life state laws, so a resolution is the best way to say, "This is what the Legislature wants."

We can require that the Mideast Government perform audits; I would argue that falls within our legislative power.  If you disagree, we could always amend the Constitution.  But I see no point to pass a fluff resolution.

While I was never supportive of the Questioning the Power Act, it was never struck down as unconstitutional and that surely had more potential erosion into "Executive Power" than this bill.

If you think we're able to force audits, I'll rewrite this into a legitimate bill.

I think it would be constitutional; however, I'd like to see a GM analysis to see if it would actually save any money.

Okay, I'll redraft it. And, even if it breaks even, it's good policy. Jon Huntsman always talks about the "trust deficit" people have with government, this helps resolve that.

And if it doesn't break even?

Scrap it.

[Franzl]

I see no need for this at the present time, to be honest.

[Potus]

I see no need for this at the present time, to be honest.

It's not about "at the present time", it's about long-term accountability.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I see no need for this at the present time, to be honest.

Neither do I.

[Franzl]

I see no need for this at the present time, to be honest.

It's not about "at the present time", it's about long-term accountability.

But it clearly mandates an immediate audit. I'm all for responsible budget policies, but I think the Mideast is in pretty good shape.

[Potus]

I see no need for this at the present time, to be honest.

It's not about "at the present time", it's about long-term accountability.

But it clearly mandates an immediate audit. I'm all for responsible budget policies, but I think the Mideast is in pretty good shape.

We don't know about implementation spending, at the moment. It worth setting a precedent and just checking everything out. We don't know the current state of wasteful spending. Good be none whatsoever or it could be rampant. This body does not know.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Can I get a feeling of where people are on this?  I see no need for it, and thus no need to wait for a new GM to get the analysis.

[Franzl]

I see no need, but am not fundamentally opposed. I think I'll abstain on the final vote.

[Njall]

I don't particularly see a need for it

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Well, it seems pointless to wait around for Griffin, who likely won't review this anyway, so let's just bring it to a vote.  Members will vote AYE, NAY, or ABSTAIN.  This will be a 48-hour vote.