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« on: February 02, 2014, 09:47:01 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/us/abortions-declining-in-us-study-finds.html?hp

This is good news.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2014, 09:53:10 PM »

Great need indeed. Is there a correlation with this and the fact that there if the lowest percentage of Americans that identify themselves as pro choice in years?
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2014, 09:59:05 PM »

Great need indeed. Is there a correlation with this and the fact that there if the lowest percentage of Americans that identify themselves as pro choice in years?

If you read the article, it would tell you pregnancy rates are down too.  In part due to the recession and in part to more effective and available birth control.  America is anti-pregnancy.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 10:00:18 PM »

That's good, the birth control part. Can't understand why the far right is against it.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 10:01:34 PM »

That's good, the birth control part. Can't understand why the far right is against it.

They don't women to have control over their bodies or their sexuality.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 10:03:52 PM »

Great need indeed. Is there a correlation with this and the fact that there if the lowest percentage of Americans that identify themselves as pro choice in years?

Actually, the last exit polls in the 2012 election say the most pro-choice electorate in history.
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 10:06:31 PM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/162548/americans-misjudge-abortion-views.aspx


http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/pro-choice-americans-record-low.aspx
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 10:10:12 PM »

That's good, the birth control part. Can't understand why the far right is against it.

Are you talking about it's role in Obamacare or the practice itself?

If the former, it's because we object to forcing people to pay for things they believe are deeply immoral. If the latter, look into Catholic theology.
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« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 10:13:44 PM »

Anyway, I think the reason that less people identify themselves as pro choice is because some  while politically pro choice, are morally pro life.
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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 10:15:20 PM »
« Edited: February 02, 2014, 10:25:34 PM by Harry »

Thank you Sandra Fluke.
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2014, 10:22:08 PM »

Anyway, I think the reason that less people identify themselves as pro choice is because some  while politically pro choice, are morally pro life.

I think that, too. Abortion bans kept getting raped in the polls. Worse than Peyton Manning did tonight, if that's possible. I'll post the 2012 CNN exit polls when I am not either working, studying or drunk.

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Anyways, birth control is pretty amazing nowadays. Either that or people are getting uglier.
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 10:26:57 PM »

That's good, the birth control part. Can't understand why the far right is against it.

Are you talking about it's role in Obamacare or the practice itself?

If the former, it's because we object to forcing people to pay for things they believe are deeply immoral. If the latter, look into Catholic theology.

Should I have to pay taxes to fund our wars?
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 10:34:34 PM »

Great News.
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 10:41:50 PM »


You do understand that only about 1/4 of Americans support overturning Roe v Wade right? Many people are 'pro-life' but they don't believe abortion should be illegal. In fact I think everyone can agree that the fewer abortions the better.
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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 12:44:35 AM »


You do understand that only about 1/4 of Americans support overturning Roe v Wade right? Many people are 'pro-life' but they don't believe abortion should be illegal. In fact I think everyone can agree that the fewer abortions the better.

A lot of people probably don't know what Roe v. Wade is. I imagine a decent fraction of the general public, if asked, will probable get it confused with a number of Supreme Court cases: Brown v. Board of Education, Marbury v. Madison, etc. Only political nerds like us or activists remember which is which.
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 01:02:42 AM »

From NBC/WSJ poll from last year, here is the question wording:
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Results:
Yes, Overturn: 24 (Feel strongly 21)
No, Do Not Overturn: 70 (Feel strongly 57)
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 08:37:27 AM »

Yes, but in the Gallup poll, over 60%   of Americans support restrictions on second term abortions, 80% support restrictions on third term abortions.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2014, 09:11:40 AM »

I'll just repost what I said in another thread when abortion polls came up.

I always kinda thought abortion polls were bulls**t regardless of who they're commissioned by and regardless of what the numbers are.  Not a lot of people support zero restrictions on abortion, but not a lot of people seem willing to ban it outright, either.  And labels like "pro-choice" and "pro-life" are kind of loaded terms in the grand scheme of things.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 09:16:10 AM »


No one used condoms before she came along.  Ugh. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2014, 11:34:51 AM »


Why?
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2014, 11:42:29 AM »


Because ideally abortions would not be necessary at all? Like, what kind of f**king question is that?
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2014, 11:48:41 AM »

God bless Sandra Fluke. She did more to stop abortions than anyone else in memorable history, including the pro-life lobby.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2014, 03:42:16 PM »
« Edited: February 03, 2014, 03:46:45 PM by Less-Progressivism, More Realism »


The problem is the moralization of a medical procedure that only affects women. And considering how misogyny and sexism are pretty big problems as is, and the overlap with the "pro-life" movement of those tendencies...
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2014, 04:43:44 PM »

Yes, but in the Gallup poll, over 60%   of Americans support restrictions on second term abortions, 80% support restrictions on third term abortions.

90% of abortions are in first trimester.  And many if not most of others are for life or health of mother. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2014, 06:49:39 PM »
« Edited: February 03, 2014, 06:52:21 PM by Harry »


No one used condoms before she came along.  Ugh. 

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You realize Sandra Fluke has nothing to do with condoms, right?  Most insurance companies aren't going to cover condoms even now.  The contraceptive mandate primarily concerns "the pill," which until the ACA required insurance companies to cover (at least some forms of it), were often too expensive for poor women to afford.

Arguably, the mandate would have taken effect anyway without her, and the credit should go to the ACA as a whole and not just her, but she is the face of the movement (thanks to the jealous Right), so I'll happily credit her.
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