Clinton vs. Bush map

[Senator Cris]

Please post maps...

Clinton vs. Bush

[Reaganfan]

[President von Cat]

No, no, NO.

Jeb Bush is massively overrated as a presidential contender, and I'll never understand the ridiculous Atlas blue avatar love for the guy. The GOP has a problem of being perceived as a party of old white guys, and to fix that, they are going to nominate an old.. white.. guy?



Seriously, that is the face of dynamism and energy for the Republican party in the latter half of the 2010s?

Well.. ok.. but don't say I didn't warn you.

[Senator Cris]

Bush 250 - Clinton 246

I think that, in this scenario, Virginia, New Mexico and Nevada will go for Clinton. Ohio can go for Bush.

Clinton 270 - Bush 268

Possible?

[bedstuy]

[pbrower2a]

Jeb Bush might get a slight Favorite Son effect in Florida, but probably not enough to win the state. He'd probably need the help of a re-elected Rick Scott, which isn't likely to materialize.

All scenarios showing any Republican close to defeating Hillary Clinton have involved Chris Christie before his alleged abuse of power. As it is I can't see Jeb Bush defeating Hillary Clinton where Obama won in 2012 except perhaps Florida. Jeb Bush, having not been elected in Florida even as a VP nominee, has been away too long from Florida politics to have more of an advantage than Gore in Tennessee in 2000.

I have North Carolina iffy -- and Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, and Missouri undetermined out of a lack of polling.   

Jeb Bush would have been a better President than Dubya.

[Vosem]

[Potus]

This. Although I would put Iowa, NH, Colorado, and Wisconsin in play.

[Senator Cris]

West Virginia for Hillary and Virginia for Bush? Nah....

[IceSpear]

Clinton - 319
Bush - 219

[Frodo]

A last hurrah for the old order, especially if immigration reform legislation passes both houses, Obamacare continues to disappoint, and ordinary Americans continue to not feel the economic recovery:

Bush/Martinez: 274
Clinton/Brown: 264

And the popular vote margin would be about as tight.  
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In short, everything has to fall into place for this to happen -and Bush is the only likely Republican nominee (if he chooses to run) who can pull out a win given these circumstances. 

[IceSpear]

No Republican will carry NM except in an enormous landslide.

[Senator Cris]

No Republican will carry NM except in an enormous landslide.

Also, I think that Virginia is "Clinton Country"

[Frodo]

No Republican will carry NM except in an enormous landslide.

Or unless its popular Republican governor is selected as a running-mate.  As a general rule, you're probably right, though.  But there are exceptions -and this could be one.

Also, knowing Terry McAuliffe, by the time Hillary runs he could be more of a liability than an asset.   

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Wrong Clinton, wrong Bush.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

No Republican will carry NM except in an enormous landslide.

Or unless its popular Republican governor is selected as a running-mate.  As a general rule, you're probably right, though.  But there are exceptions -and this could be one.  

Agreed.

[Cryptic]

Can't really make any predictions this far out, but assuming a neutral environment I'd say something like this.

Jeb is probably one of the best candidates they could run, but I think the EC math will favor Clinton.  I also doubt even Jeb will be able to win Nevada or New Mexico in 2016, given how much they've shifted.

I'll reemphasize this is my idea of a neutral environment.  I could see the map tilting toward either one should events we are unable to predict influence the race.

[MATTROSE94]

Maybe this:

[Reaganfan]

No, no, NO.

Jeb Bush is massively overrated as a presidential contender, and I'll never understand the ridiculous Atlas blue avatar love for the guy. The GOP has a problem of being perceived as a party of old white guys, and to fix that, they are going to nominate an old.. white.. guy?



Seriously, that is the face of dynamism and energy for the Republican party in the latter half of the 2010s?

Well.. ok.. but don't say I didn't warn you.

...and the lovefest over THAT is a sure way to agree on her 450 EV landslide??

[RJEvans]

I can see the ad now...

The first Bush ended in economic crisis.
The second Bush ended in economic crisis.
Do we need a third Bush?
(end with photo of Bush 41, Bush 43 and Jeb laughing hysterically).

In all seriousness, if Jeb wants to run, 2016 is the year to do it, especially if Clinton is running. If nominated, the dynastic comparison almost becomes moot.

I have a feeling it can win against Clinton but it will be a tight race.

Clinton wins the Democratic base of 242 electoral votes. The usual suspects as swing states. Race comes down to VA, OH, and FL.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

A last hurrah for the old order, especially if immigration reform legislation passes both houses, Obamacare continues to disappoint, and ordinary Americans continue to not feel the economic recovery:

Bush/Martinez: 274
Clinton/Brown: 264

And the popular vote margin would be about as tight.  
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In short, everything has to fall into place for this to happen -and Bush is the only likely Republican nominee (if he chooses to run) who can pull out a win given these circumstances.  

I could see the popular vote going to Hillary here.
Good map, BTW.

[eric82oslo]

A last hurrah for the old order, especially if immigration reform legislation passes both houses, Obamacare continues to disappoint, and ordinary Americans continue to not feel the economic recovery:

Bush/Martinez: 274
Clinton/Brown: 264

And the popular vote margin would be about as tight.  
----------------------------------------------------------------------

In short, everything has to fall into place for this to happen -and Bush is the only likely Republican nominee (if he chooses to run) who can pull out a win given these circumstances.  

I could see the popular vote going to Hillary here.
Good map, BTW.

It's not a good map, it's a very old-fashioned map. Think 2000 and 2004.

I have to admit it's every Republican's dream map though.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Actually, it is a feasible map for a candidate like Jeb Bush  and Marco Rubio under the right circumstances.
(only with Martinez as VP however)

[Beezer]

Hillary will win the Mountain West (CO, NM, NV [is it part of that region as well?]) without much of a problem. That right there should be enough to get her past 270.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Hillary will win the Mountain West (CO, NM, NV [is it part of that region as well?]) without much of a problem. That right there should be enough to get her past 270.

You do know Colorado is not a Hillary state, right?
It will be a battle for her to win the state.