Which Flip Is More Likely in 2016?
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Question: Understanding that both are INCREDIBLY unlikely, if one does happen, which will occur?
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Illinois (D+8; elasticity = national vote) votes Republican
 
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Texas (R+10; elasticity = national vote) votes Democrat
 
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JRP1994
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« on: January 12, 2014, 09:40:39 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2014, 09:56:24 AM »

Illinois, only because it is likely it will trend R due to it being Obama's home state.
(see Cali in 1988, Arkansas in 2000, Texas in 2008).
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2014, 11:11:14 AM »

Texas because of the high hispanic population.

You cannot crack the Democratic machine in Chicagoland, it is nearly impossible.
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 11:28:37 AM »

Illinois. Democrats had the home state advantage in 2008 and 2012.

To win Texas, Democrats have to beat Obama's numbers, which occurred in a good year for the party, by sixteen percent.

Since 2012 was a weak year for Republicans, there's more of a precedent for the party improving its numbers in a state by seventeen percent, especially since the numbers could have been artificially low, due to the President coming from the state.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 12:58:07 PM »

Neither are going to flip, but Illinois is more likely (but not by much).  A Republican candidate would have to be doing much better with people in the city.  Illinois would probably flip in an extreme Republican landslide (400-450+ electoral votes).  Neither will flip in 2016 though.
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 01:40:35 PM »

I don't see either state flipping in 2016. The ultra-conservative suburban and rural voters will keep Texas in the Republican column, while heavily Democratic voters in Chicago will enable Illinois to stay Democratic.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2014, 02:31:08 PM »

Illinois, only by a little bit though. Obama undoubtedly had a home state advantage in '08, but I think it wore off in '12, so the current PVI's of both states right now are pretty accurate. In order for democrats to win Texas, they need to win Tarrant County and to crack the suburbs so they're only in slight favor of republicans. In order for republicans to win Illinois, they need to sweep rural and suburban areas heavily in their favor and get at least 30-35% in Cook County. Both are very hard to do, but Mark Kirk showed us how republicans can win Illinois with his victory. No democrat has showed us how to crack Texas yet, but it is very well possible.

Texas because of the high hispanic population.

You cannot crack the Democratic machine in Chicagoland, it is nearly impossible.

The problem with that is, Hispanics voted in high percentages for Obama in 2012, and Romney still handily won despite getting swamped in South and Southwestern Texas. More Hispanic turnout and population won't get democrats anywhere for a long time, if they want to win Texas now (or in 2.5 years), they have to make inroads with white voters in urban and suburban areas. For Illinois, it is almost impossible to crack the dem machine in Chicago, but I think of it as two states, Cook County (1) and the rest (2). The republican strategy shouldn't be cracking Chicago, it should be getting enough overwhelming vote from the rest of the state and the suburbs to override the machine and get a narrow victory.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 03:53:05 PM »

Neither will ever happen. They're both so implausible that I can't think of which is more likely.
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