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« on: January 04, 2014, 10:43:56 AM »
« edited: January 09, 2014, 09:43:26 AM by VP Matt »

Senators who are interested in the position of PPT have 48 hours to declare.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2014, 12:51:50 PM »

Yankee has been a great PPT, and I'm proud to nominate him for another term, if he so chooses.
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 04:28:52 PM »

I second Yankee's nomination.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2014, 04:43:14 PM »

I nominate Tyrion for PPT.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2014, 05:31:13 PM »


Seconded!
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 05:43:05 PM »

I'll accept the nomination, I suppose.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 10:42:51 PM »

Senator Tyrion, how knowledgeable would you say you are of OSPR? What are some specific changes you would like to see in it?
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2014, 05:50:56 AM »

Senator Tyrion, how knowledgeable would you say you are of OSPR? What are some specific changes you would like to see in it?

Well, I'd say there's no possible way I'm as experienced as Yankee. I'm two months into my first term, and Yankee has been around, what, 20 times as long? With that said, I do believe I can handle the duty, and I like to figure I'm enough of a rules maven to keep up. Naturally, I've made mistakes, but I think, most importantly, I'm active enough to check my work, keep myself in line, and continue to improve while keeping the Senate moving.

Changes I'd consider:
1. "Flex"ing the slot requirements in order to give additional slots to PPT and Presidential discretion, by eliminating the veto override slot and cutting out foreign policy slot(s). This is something I suggested earlier but didn't gain much traction.

2. I'd double the maximum debate time requirement before an injunction is required for Presidential appointments, while allowing the PPT to commence a final vote at any time once debate has ceased for 24 hours.

3. I'd correct a constitutional issue with Article 1, Section 3, Clause 4, the one that enables redrafts, by clarifying the wording. As it currently stands, one might interpret the first and second halves of the clause to be in contradiction. Yankee has to this point interpreted in the manner that the second half of the clause suggests, but not the first, which I agree with. That's not an OSPR issue, technically, but it does change the way the Senate is run, so I thought I'd mention it.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2014, 04:29:17 PM »

Would you deal wtih the overrides off the slots, like we have the redrafts then?

The OSPR doesn't really say anthing with regards to the Redrafts. Unlike with the expulsion text in the Constitution though, the constitution includes the process of how to do redrafts. PReviously, beforewe added the Article on Explusions to the OSPR there was no effective way to proceed with it since the Constitution just says 2/3rds vote.

As for the discrepancy you refer I never noticed such really since the Constitution explicitly states the President shall have x in y conditions. My predecessors never mentioned it, nor did BK and he was all about finding such loopholes (so he could abuse them of course. Wink).

In terms of the FP slot, I could go for allowing it to be used for none such stuff if there are no Foreign policy or military related stuff in the queue, but I would prefer to keep at least one, especially now that we have two executive slots and two PPT slots.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2014, 07:08:42 PM »

I thank Senators Tmth and Spiral for their continued faith in me. After careful consideration, and I can assure you these decisions are never easy, I will accept the nominations by the honorable Senators and thus declare for the position of President Pro-Tempore of Senate.

I plan to continue to work with the Senators to consolidate and improve the OSPR as we have been doing in the past Senate, as well as to continue the higher pace of productivity that the Senate has been enjoying since the October Elections. My goal will also be to improve the quality of the interaction and coordination between the Vice President as well as to push the administration to keep their slots full as much as possible and avoid some of the missed opportunities that have occured in those slots over the past Senate.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2014, 12:19:41 AM »

Would you deal wtih the overrides off the slots, like we have the redrafts then?

The OSPR doesn't really say anthing with regards to the Redrafts. Unlike with the expulsion text in the Constitution though, the constitution includes the process of how to do redrafts. PReviously, beforewe added the Article on Explusions to the OSPR there was no effective way to proceed with it since the Constitution just says 2/3rds vote.

As for the discrepancy you refer I never noticed such really since the Constitution explicitly states the President shall have x in y conditions. My predecessors never mentioned it, nor did BK and he was all about finding such loopholes (so he could abuse them of course. Wink).

In terms of the FP slot, I could go for allowing it to be used for none such stuff if there are no Foreign policy or military related stuff in the queue, but I would prefer to keep at least one, especially now that we have two executive slots and two PPT slots.

Yeah, I'd like to treat overrides like we treat redrafts currently, but I'd also be open to making an explicit process for redrafts in the OSPR, since it's probably worth delineating the whole process in our personal rulebook.

I'd be fine with leaving one FP slot guaranteed.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 08:08:07 PM »

President Pro-Tempore Official Ballot:

[] NC Yankee (Fed-NC)
[] Tyrion (Lab-CA)
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2014, 08:09:09 PM »

Senators, the vote for PPT is now open.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2014, 08:09:19 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2014, 08:09:51 PM »

Would you deal wtih the overrides off the slots, like we have the redrafts then?

The OSPR doesn't really say anthing with regards to the Redrafts. Unlike with the expulsion text in the Constitution though, the constitution includes the process of how to do redrafts. PReviously, beforewe added the Article on Explusions to the OSPR there was no effective way to proceed with it since the Constitution just says 2/3rds vote.

As for the discrepancy you refer I never noticed such really since the Constitution explicitly states the President shall have x in y conditions. My predecessors never mentioned it, nor did BK and he was all about finding such loopholes (so he could abuse them of course. Wink).

In terms of the FP slot, I could go for allowing it to be used for none such stuff if there are no Foreign policy or military related stuff in the queue, but I would prefer to keep at least one, especially now that we have two executive slots and two PPT slots.

Yeah, I'd like to treat overrides like we treat redrafts currently, but I'd also be open to making an explicit process for redrafts in the OSPR, since it's probably worth delineating the whole process in our personal rulebook.

I'd be fine with leaving one FP slot guaranteed.

Certainly but we must be mindful of not adding too much more length to the OSPR, though and instead work to continue condensing it overall.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2014, 08:10:04 PM »

1. Tyrion
2. North Carolina Yankee

I'll be happy either way.
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« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2014, 08:10:43 PM »

From beyond the grave, I encourage a continuation of Yankee's tenure as PPT. He has the full understanding, wielding of the rules, and he has done a lot to make the rules less cumbersome in recent days.
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« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2014, 08:12:02 PM »

President Pro-Tempore Official Ballot:

[ 1 ] NC Yankee (Fed-NC)
[ 2 ] Tyrion (Lab-CA)
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« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2014, 08:12:58 PM »

President Pro-Tempore Official Ballot:

[1] NC Yankee (Fed-NC)
[2] Tyrion (Lab-CA)
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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2014, 08:39:37 PM »

1. Tyrion
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« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2014, 08:47:11 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2014, 08:52:03 PM »


President Pro-Tempore Official Ballot:

[1] NC Yankee (Fed-NC)
[2] Tyrion (Lab-CA)
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2014, 10:22:59 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2014, 12:09:27 AM »

President Pro-Tempore Official Ballot:

[1] NC Yankee (Fed-NC)
[2] Tyrion (Lab-CA)
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2014, 03:18:17 PM »


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