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« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2005, 02:07:53 PM »

Alternately you could get a girlfriend.
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« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2005, 02:12:21 PM »

Pornography is used as an outlet for would be rapists and child molesters. Take it away, and I guaruntee rapes and molestations will increase.  Plus, pornography is rarely used to kill people with. Unless you beat someone over the head with a DVD.

I disagree, pornography is often a tool that drives a person with violent sexual tendencies to commit such horrific acts.

Hate-speech and literature are rarely used to kill a person unless you slash their throats with papercuts and yell into their ears until they have an aneurysm

How can you disagree!? Why go through all the trouble of raping someone when you can watch porn? (in most cases) Obviously if it is taken away, these people will look for rape.  What makes someone want to commit such acts is inherent, and if there is an outlet we can protect many people. But without this outlet, lookout!

Wise obvservations, Earl, and I would go one further to say that legalized prostitution would prevent a lot of rape.

That's so stupid.  Rape isn't about sex, it's about power.  Rapists don't rape because they're sex starved, they do it because they're power-hungry deviants.

I believe that if there were no such thing as pornography, then there would be a lot less rapes.  Pornography for some is like a gateway to rape.

It's bad all around.  And ultimately, people who use porn to gratify themselves are pathetic.
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« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2005, 02:19:21 PM »

That's so stupid.  Rape isn't about sex, it's about power.  Rapists don't rape because they're sex starved, they do it because they're power-hungry deviants.

I believe that if there were no such thing as pornography, then there would be a lot less rapes.  Pornography for some is like a gateway to rape.

It's bad all around.  And ultimately, people who use porn to gratify themselves are pathetic.

Pointing this out again: http://www.asc.upenn.edu/usr/chunter/porn_effects.html

While it does list many negative effects, it does point out this:

Catharsis

At first, it may seem odd to place catharsis under the heading of "powerful effects." After all catharsis studies generally show that pornography prevents harmful effects like rape and other sex crimes. From this, one might argue that catharsis proves the "limited effects" of pornography. A better way to think of catharsis is as a powerful "limiting effect" against sexually deviant behavior. Therefore, it is properly referred to as a powerful effect.

A number of cathartic effects have been found for pornography, but perhaps the most widely cited is the so called "Danish experience." In the 1960's Denmark experienced a "porno wave", but rather than censoring this content, in 1967 the government lifted all restriction on pornography (save a 16 year old age limit for purchasing porn). Yet rather than experiencing a wave of sex crimes as some had predicted, sex crimes actually declined. For example, Kutchinsky (1970; 1985; 1987; 1991) found that from 1965 to 1982 sex crimes against children declined from 30 per 100,000 in '65 to about 5 per 100,000 in '82. Similar evidence is found for rape rates. Kutchinsky concludes that this is likely the effect of pornography providing potential sex offenders an alternate means of sexual satisfaction, most likely through masturbation.

Another example of a nation with high amounts of pornography yet low sex crime rates is Japan. As Abramson and Hayashi (1984) have found, pornography in Japan is often featured in general interest newspapers and magazines, and can be seen on prime time television. Not only is porn widely available but much of its adult content depicts the bondage and rape of young women. "In fact, one of the best ways to ensure the success of a Japanese adult film is to include the bondage and rape of a young woman (Abramson and Hayashi, 1984: p. 178)." Despite this, Japan's rape rate is roughly 14 times lower than that of the U.S.'s (2.4 rapes per 100,000 in Japan compared to 34.5 in the U.S.). This discrepancy can not be explained by variance in laws, or Japanese women's reluctance to report rape. Instead, the

Japanese view the availability of such stimuli as a cathartic valve. It is presumed to provide vicarious satisfaction of a socially unacceptable behavior. In a culture that endorses strict codes of behavior and highly defined roles, the depiction of rape also provides a context in which Japanese men can vicariously abandon all of the explicit signposts of good behavior. (p. 182).

Continuing with international evidence, Faust (1982) studied countries with the most and least equality achieved between men and women. She found that in nations like the U.S. and the Scandinavian countries which highly value women's equality, pornography was widely available. In contrast, in countries repressive towards women, like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the former Soviet Union, little or no pornography was available.

Another cathartic effect for pornography is found in data about child sex offenders and rapists. Child sex offenders have been shown to have had very little, if any exposure to pornography (Byrne and Kelley, 1984; Faust, 1982). Evidence has also shown that a majority of rapists come from sexually repressive family backgrounds (Goldstein and Kant, 1973; Byrne and Kelley, 1984).

In all of these cases, the cathartic effect of pornography is believed due to a substitution effect, by which potential sex offenders receive sexual gratification from pornographic content, rather than from criminal acts against individuals.
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« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2005, 03:17:57 PM »

Alternately you could get a girlfriend.

That's the whole point - a very large minority of guys cannot.  Let say for the sake of argument 25%.  And don't argue they need to just lower their standards - you can't expect a guy to get it up with an ugly or fat girl just because he is unattractive.  Alas, sexual attraction doesn't work that way.

No, we need to make sure there is are healthy outlets for those who are low in the sexual heirarchy - namely pornography and prostitution.
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« Reply #54 on: March 28, 2005, 03:21:16 PM »

Pornography is used as an outlet for would be rapists and child molesters. Take it away, and I guaruntee rapes and molestations will increase.  Plus, pornography is rarely used to kill people with. Unless you beat someone over the head with a DVD.

I disagree, pornography is often a tool that drives a person with violent sexual tendencies to commit such horrific acts.

Hate-speech and literature are rarely used to kill a person unless you slash their throats with papercuts and yell into their ears until they have an aneurysm

How can you disagree!? Why go through all the trouble of raping someone when you can watch porn? (in most cases) Obviously if it is taken away, these people will look for rape.  What makes someone want to commit such acts is inherent, and if there is an outlet we can protect many people. But without this outlet, lookout!

Wise obvservations, Earl, and I would go one further to say that legalized prostitution would prevent a lot of rape.

That's so stupid.  Rape isn't about sex, it's about power.  Rapists don't rape because they're sex starved, they do it because they're power-hungry deviants.

I believe that if there were no such thing as pornography, then there would be a lot less rapes.  Pornography for some is like a gateway to rape.

It's bad all around.  And ultimately, people who use porn to gratify themselves are pathetic.

No, you're wrong.  The motivation is sexual - which is of course almost indistinguishable from the will to power.

Why do you think men want to become powerful?  Answer - to be the alpha male and get all the best p***y.

As for being pathetic, well possibly, in the sense that they have lost at the game and are low in the sexual heirarchy.  However should we ban things merely because they are pathetic?  One might as well ban poverty or old age or mobile homes or Walmart.
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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2005, 03:09:19 PM »

For some reason conservatives think it should be option 2.

Yawn, you're so original, coming up with a "trick" question like this.

The answer is obviously guns, as pornography has no benefical uses, degrades women, reinforces unrealistic standards and sexual fantasies, is linked to sexually abusive behavior, rape, incest and murder.  The perpetrators of such acts are almost always influenced by pornography.

Guns have beneficial uses:  self-defense, hunting, range shooting practice.  It is true that guns can be used in criminal acs, but they are not exclusively or inheretly criminal or immoral.

Porn is bad all around for everyone involved.

Why not change thequestion to

who would you rather have babysit your kid?

an NRA member

A NAMBLA member?

Which organization would you rather be a member of

ACLU/NAACP?

NAMBLA?

or you could switch the ACLU/NAACP to the KKK

so which is worse? 

A child molester

A racist?

Come on this is stupid.
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