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« on: December 15, 2013, 05:57:23 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 05:58:34 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 06:07:51 PM »

I am leaving the interwebz for a while, but I wanted to do some reform of our space programs, focusing on some things that we know are putting us closer to finding life and resources outside of this planet, and looking at the history of the world beyond. I left a lot blank because I want the Senate to give feedback on this legislation and see what is necessary and what we can do.
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »

Why do we require a higher standard for increasing space research spending than any other spending?
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 08:11:11 PM »

Why do we require a higher standard for increasing space research spending than any other spending?

Beyond a certain point: I want to hold limits so that the program doesn't get bloated.
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2013, 08:17:45 PM »

Why do we require a higher standard for increasing space research spending than any other spending?

Beyond a certain point: I want to hold limits so that the program doesn't get bloated.

That seems like an incredibly low limit. That was less than our surplus (pre-Nixcome).
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2013, 08:20:50 PM »

Why do we require a higher standard for increasing space research spending than any other spending?

Beyond a certain point: I want to hold limits so that the program doesn't get bloated.

That seems like an incredibly low limit. That was less than our surplus (pre-Nixcome).

If you want to amend it, be my guest, I was writing it with the intent that you would have comments like that.
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« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2013, 08:23:25 PM »

Why do we require a higher standard for increasing space research spending than any other spending?

Beyond a certain point: I want to hold limits so that the program doesn't get bloated.

That seems like an incredibly low limit. That was less than our surplus (pre-Nixcome).

If you want to amend it, be my guest, I was writing it with the intent that you would have comments like that.

I gotchu Maxwell Tongue

Sorry, didn't mean to be overly critical. I really love the space program.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2013, 08:40:52 PM »

I'm not sure I understand the purpose behind Section 3, clause 3.

I don't think it's a bad idea to more specifically distribute space funding and ensure accountability, so I'm pretty supportive of this bill.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2013, 08:42:17 PM »


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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2013, 08:54:44 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2013, 05:39:28 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2013, 01:00:19 AM »

Amendment 58:49 has been adopted. What now?
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2013, 01:07:27 AM »

Well now we need to deal with the TBA on the numbers, and I want to hear some ideas, I'll probably put out some of my own tomorrow afternoon.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2013, 03:09:30 AM »

When can we expect that amendment.


I don't have much knowledge of the subject. What are the current levels of funding each of these blank areas and what practical impact does one or the other level of increase/decrease have in terms of results?
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2013, 03:17:39 AM »

When can we expect that amendment.


I don't have much knowledge of the subject. What are the current levels of funding each of these blank areas and what practical impact does one or the other level of increase/decrease have in terms of results?

That's a good question for the GM, which I will get to Nix now.
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2013, 05:08:32 AM »

Research seems to be contained only in the solar system!

We should fund more studies of exoplanets, black holes, and deep space in general.

I also drastically changed the funding structure.  

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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2013, 04:48:08 PM »

With two small exceptions, I am friendly to the changes you have made.

1. I wanted to enhance the focus of NASA on things we know we can learn a lot more from, as well as possibilities for life and resources. With Earth's Moon and non-Mars terrestrial planets, we have seemed to find out what we can: Venus is stormy and Mercury is terrible.

2. Doubling spending in this area is questionable to me, though I think we can increase it. I would be willing to increase spending to 15 Billion, the amount I originally set as a cap, but beyond that I think I would be hardpressed to agree to such a spending increase.

So here's what I think is Hostile:

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And the rest of the changes are constructive and friendly.
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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2013, 11:28:18 PM »

Hm, that seems reasonable.

Can we leave spending intact for the moon and terrestrial planets, instead of a decrease (pending Nix's numbers)?

I'd prefer the $20 billion number but I can accept $15 billion if it gets consensus support.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2013, 06:50:10 AM »
« Edited: December 21, 2013, 06:53:56 AM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Tyrion are you game for splitting the amendment? IF yes, the old one becomes reduced to the hostile stuff so that a vote can be held on it immediatly without needing to wait another twenty four hours, whilst the new contains just the friendly elements, which are simultaneously put through the quick way (calling 24 hours on objections).
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2013, 02:24:48 AM »

Tyrion are you game for splitting the amendment? IF yes, the old one becomes reduced to the hostile stuff so that a vote can be held on it immediatly without needing to wait another twenty four hours, whilst the new contains just the friendly elements, which are simultaneously put through the quick way (calling 24 hours on objections).

Yea, I'll split it up exactly how Maxwell has it.

I hope we can come to a compromise on the rest of it, meanwhile.
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« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2013, 02:29:05 AM »

I feel like we just did, with the increase to $15 Million, and just the same amount of spending on terrestrial planets.

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« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2013, 02:42:34 AM »

Alright. You're being reasonable about it, methinks.

I'll withdraw the amendment that Maxwell found hostile, and maintain the part that he found friendly, including striking Section 2, Clause 3.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 10:12:35 AM »

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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2013, 03:06:48 PM »

The amendment has been adopted.
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