gop starting to become the UKIP+BNP?

[freepcrusher]

there's always been a business element to the republicans but it seems that someone like Ted Cruz or  Jim Jordan seem more UKIP or BNP than Torie. Of course Britain has a different history than the U.S, so the equivalents aren't always correct. Still anyone agree?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Ugh. This may be the worst post I have read on Atlas in a long, long time.

[Person Man]

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

[Lief 🗽]

What do you meaning "starting"? The GOP has been a right-wing nationalist party for a while.

[King]

well, you can factor out the Ps, so UKI+BN

[Person Man]

I would say out of the Republican base...say 32% of turnout in 2008 and like 40% in 2010, about a third of them are fascists or something else where the difference is only "intellectual" and another third would be willing to listen if the country AND party isn't doing too well...so the actual number varies between 10 and 20 percent each year. On the other end of the spectrum, I would say half of that are actual socialists.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us. What about the racism many on the left against white folks? Why aren't the leftists willing to confront the racism within their own camp first.

[Goldwater]

I can see the comparisons between the Tea and the UKIP, but comparing them to the BNP is just hackish.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

I can see the comparisons between the Tea and the UKIP, but comparing them to the BNP is just hackish.

Exactly.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The GOP is on the whole less anti-immigrant than the Tories and other centre-right European parties, much less far right parties.  Romney and most of the other 2012 candidates supported status quo or higher levels of legal immigration, and if you want to see an actual "self-deportation" campaign beyond Romney's wildest dreams in progress you need look no further than the current UK government:

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us. What about the racism many on the left against white folks? Why aren't the leftists willing to confront the racism within their own camp first.

[Zioneer]

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us. What about the racism many on the left against white folks? Why aren't the leftists willing to confront the racism within their own camp first.

Are you serious? I mean, for one thing, there's racist things uttered by GOPers every week that are publicized by everyone but Fox, for another, there's the Heritage Foundation guy that said that Hispanic and black people weren't as intelligent as white people, for another, the ENTIRE Birther movement, for another, the racist dogwhistling that happens incessantly through the GOP.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us. What about the racism many on the left against white folks? Why aren't the leftists willing to confront the racism within their own camp first.

Are you serious? I mean, for one thing, there's racist things uttered by GOPers every week that are publicized by everyone but Fox, for another, there's the Heritage Foundation guy that said that Hispanic and black people weren't as intelligent as white people, for another, the ENTIRE Birther movement, for another, the racist dogwhistling that happens incessantly through the GOP.

To be fair, I think it can safely be said that,

GOP Hatred for Immigrants/Non-Whites < UKIP/BNP Hatred for Immigrants/Non-Whites

although,

GOP Hatred for Non-Rich People > UKIP/BNP Hatred for Non-Rich People

[Person Man]

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us. What about the racism many on the left against white folks? Why aren't the leftists willing to confront the racism within their own camp first.

Are you serious? I mean, for one thing, there's racist things uttered by GOPers every week that are publicized by everyone but Fox, for another, there's the Heritage Foundation guy that said that Hispanic and black people weren't as intelligent as white people, for another, the ENTIRE Birther movement, for another, the racist dogwhistling that happens incessantly through the GOP.

Indeed.

The GOP is on the whole less anti-immigrant than the Tories and other centre-right European parties, much less far right parties.  Romney and most of the other 2012 candidates supported status quo or higher levels of legal immigration, and if you want to see an actual "self-deportation" campaign beyond Romney's wildest dreams in progress you need look no further than the current UK government:

How many deportations happen in this country? Does the UK actually have a law that the police may profile people for deportation on the street (There's a brown person, we can now force him to prove he's here legally just because he's brown)?

A lot of conservatives don't like being put in the same boat as people who come just short on admitting they are Nazis and in their defense American "Nationalism" or "Right-Wing Populism" is a little more multidimensional than the Northern League, the National Front, the BNP or National Democrats...as in, there is an element of racism, but it is built as much of the "puritan experience" as the general "European experience".

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us. What about the racism many on the left against white folks? Why aren't the leftists willing to confront the racism within their own camp first.

Are you serious? I mean, for one thing, there's racist things uttered by GOPers every week that are publicized by everyone but Fox, for another, there's the Heritage Foundation guy that said that Hispanic and black people weren't as intelligent as white people, for another, the ENTIRE Birther movement, for another, the racist dogwhistling that happens incessantly through the GOP.

To be fair, I think it can safely be said that,

GOP Hatred for Immigrants/Non-Whites < UKIP/BNP Hatred for Immigrants/Non-Whites

although,

GOP Hatred for Non-Rich People > UKIP/BNP Hatred for Non-Rich People

I would go so far to say

GOP Hatred of women, LGBT, secular government and learning > UKIP/BNP Hatred of women, LGBT, secular government and learning

In  general, the American Far Right (like I said, it generally is between 8-10% and 20-22% of the electorate) is kind of couched between the Islamists in the Middle East (Theocracy) and the White Supremacists in Europe (Nazis) in terms of what its main goals are. American Nationalism is its own thing and there's nothing quite like it, but its not totally devoid of comparisons.

Basically, an Islamist won't care if you are not Arab/Persian/whatever but wants to kill you for being Christian, Jewish, Secular, Hindu or anything that isn't a conservative Muslim. Your traditional NeoNazi in Europe simply wants to deport/kill anyone who isn't European, practices a non-Christian or non-ethnic European religion and who doesn't generally live a conservative lifestyle. They don't actively dislike lower income or secular people. An American far-righter basically goes after people for things that they do instead of who they are (like regular conservatives), but basically believes that non-whites, non-Evangelicals (moderate Christianity doesn't count) can stay here but they must "submit" to the social order and be grateful for those who have graciously opened their country to them from the horrible life they would endure if they were where they belonged. This is generally how American TEA Partiers see themselves different than the Northern League, the National Democrats or the Muslim Brotherhood.  

Though I will put on the disclaimer that the GOP isn't, at its center of gravity, a Nationalist party, but it isn't a "center-right" one like the CDU, Tories or SPD is, either. Its what you get in a two party system. Its a coalition of far-right types and just ordinary people who think they can do better with cheaper taxes. At certain points, and in places like Connecticut, it will look like a mainstream Conservative party with people like Schwarzenegger on the left and people like Romney on the right. In places like Colorado, it will look like something with people at the very left like W or Christie and at the very right people like Tom Tancredo, David Duke and Michelle Bachmann.

And if a blue, grey or yellow guy says that the Democrats have socialists in it, I already agree but they probably make up maybe like 6-8% of the electorate... about a fifth or sixth of the Democratic base...tops.

[Mordecai]

There is no element of racism in the Tea Party wing of the American right. Racists and white supremacists are not welcome or tolerated among us.

[Cassius]

I can see similarities with UKIP, but I don't think you can really shoehorn one big-tent party into a couple of small parties from a different country. Aside from that, whilst this point is largely moot (since the BNP is to all intents and purposes dead), UKIP and the BNP are two entirely different beasts and cannot be lumped together as one. UKIP, at this moment of time, is effectively the Conservative right in exile, having left the party because they view David Cameron and his leadership coterie as a bunch of wet, limp-wristed liberals who's main objective is to pander to the media of the 'serious people' (Guardian, Independent, the Times), and that this can be seen through policies on issues like gay marriage. Basically, most UKIP supporters are people who would quite happily have voted for Margaret Thatcher, William Hague and Michael Howard, whom, in their eyes, were robust, no-nonsense right-wingers. The BNP, on the other hand, is an openly racist party whose support was largely concentrated in working class areas (UKIP does draw support in similar regions now, but is able to compete in a far wider variety of paces than the BNP ever was). The BNP's electoral support also revolved almost entirely around the issue of immigration, whereas UKIP's appeal covers a wider range of areas (immigration is one, but the EU, moral policy and taxes are other big drawers for UKIP support).

So, whilst I would agree that the Republican Party holds many similarities to UKIP (just as our own Conservative Party once did), I do not think it is 'becoming' it, partly because the political scene is so different here than in America (the role of religion in society is never a factor in UK elections, whereas it often seems to be in the US). The BNP comparison is totally wrong, in my view.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

well, you can factor out the Ps, so UKI+BN

Haha! Oh, Algebra!

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

This one is real.

Again, that one is also real.

Real.

Real.

I might have bought that one in my racist days. Thank God I couldn't drive then.

Calling bullsh*t on this one. Looks like a plant.

Also a plant.

Yeah, this one is just a joke. Or a plant. Who knows? I have worked on some campaigns and was always looking out for video trackers/plants. I obviously have no possible way of verifying what I have said in this post, but the last three all fit the profiles of what I was looking for-obnoxious signs/chants coming from people who are NOT elderly white women.

[Kevin]

Ugh. This may be the worst post I have read on Atlas in a long, long time.

[DC Al Fine]

I can see the comparisons between the Tea and the UKIP, but comparing them to the BNP is just hackish.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

What do you meaning "starting"? The GOP has been a right-wing nationalist party for a while.

There's not much ideological difference between pre- and post-2008 GOP. Just a diffrent style.

[ElectionsGuy]

I can see the comparisons between the Tea and the UKIP, but comparing them to the BNP is just hackish.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

I can see the comparisons between the Tea and the UKIP, but comparing them to the BNP is just hackish.

Is it though? If the demographic supportive of the BNP is staunchly Republican here in the states and is a crucial part of the GOP's big tent, why is this comparison hackish?

There are plenty Republican legislators who are the US-version of the BNP leadership.

[Cassius]

I can see the comparisons between the Tea and the UKIP, but comparing them to the BNP is just hackish.

Is it though? If the demographic supportive of the BNP is staunchly Republican here in the states and is a crucial part of the GOP's big tent, why is this comparison hackish?

There are plenty Republican legislators who are the US-version of the BNP leadership.

Who? And are urban, unemployed white men a crucial component of the GOP coalition?

[© tweed]

What do you meaning "starting"? The GOP has been a right-wing nationalist party for a while.

if they were a right-wing nationalist party they'd put national interest ahead of finance-capital interest.  which they don't.  far-right European parties have a lot of anti-global finance rhetoric (which meshed nicely with anti-Semitism in the good old days).