SENATE BILL: Semi-Presidentialism Amendment (Sent to the Regions)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Out of curiosity, what is the point of placing a concrete limit on the number of Senators in thr cabinet? And why would it be okay for a Senator to be SoFE but not RG?

A lesson learned from the committee experience. Overloading the active Senators does not work and these cabinet positions have struggled in the past. From my perspective, it would be unwise to find us in a situation with both an inactive cabinet and an inactive Senate, which could be the end result of of having half the Senate or more pulling double duty.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Is an amendment desired on the RG/SoFE issue? Also why is there a restriction applying to one but not the other?

[Talleyrand]

If a Senator feels that they would be forced to play double duty and they would not be able to handle it, they should not accept a place in cabinet. If they find the double duty too much, they should resign from one or both positions. Setting a concrete limit doesn't make sense to me. If 4 Senators have the time and willingness to serve in Cabinet, the last thing that should stop a President from appointing them is a silly limit.

If you think this amendment is guaranteed to slow down Senators in general, then don't pass it. A limit is plain silly.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If a Senator feels that they would be forced to play double duty and they would not be able to handle it, they should not accept a place in cabinet. If they find the double duty too much, they should resign from one or both positions. Setting a concrete limit doesn't make sense to me. If 4 Senators have the time and willingness to serve in Cabinet, the last thing that should stop a President from appointing them is a silly limit.

If you think this amendment is guaranteed to slow down Senators in general, then don't pass it. A limit is plain silly.

Would you think 4 is better than 3?

I have been here a long time man, and I have seen many instances where people wilingly put too much on their plate and then are reluctant to concede the fact save for a complete resignation of all position or remain innactive until their term expires. You sai yourself, that two weeks was a long time as I recall.  Accurate self-analysis is not as common as you seem to think it is.

[Talleyrand]

I never said 4 was better than 3. I simply said that a limit makes no sense, and this bill should be passed without one or not at all.

If you think this will cause people to.put too much on their plates, vote it down, but placing a limit is not going to fix any activity issues and strikes me as totally pointless. It has the potential to deny people what they could very well deserve, as I pointed out earlier.

This limit of 3 strikes me as totally arbitrary and misdirected in its attempt to resolve the issue that you claim it targets.

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Is an amendment desired on the RG/SoFE issue? Also why is there a restriction applying to one but not the other?

I didn't realize they were two separate positions when I wrote the amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I never said 4 was better than 3. I simply said that a limit makes no sense, and this bill should be passed without one or not at all.

If you think this will cause people to.put too much on their plates, vote it down, but placing a limit is not going to fix any activity issues and strikes me as totally pointless. It has the potential to deny people what they could very well deserve, as I pointed out earlier.

This limit of 3 strikes me as totally arbitrary and misdirected in its attempt to resolve the issue that you claim it targets.

Has the old saying of "you can have too much of a good thing" lost all meaning these days? It is my firm opinion that anything, anything good is bad at a certain level. Candy, Conservatism, Liquor, Liberlism, anything.

The limit is not to fix an activity issue. It is meant to prevent one from occuring whereby the entire cabinet as allowed by this amendment (minus the exempt positions) is staffed with Senators, the Senate at its best has about four or five actives and thne various levels of inactives. The actives find themselves having to choose between being Senator and cabinet secretary and in the end we end up with neither.

I see a minimal practical benefit from doing this like with the SoIA position previously, a Senator who pioneered reforms to it could be given the position to get it up an running and functional by implementing those reforms.

In general though I oppose attempts to interweave the branches save for necessary functions to preserve checks and balances. I am considering voting this to the people at least, for the above mentioned scenario, though. In your view, what are the benefits of a more broad effort in the direction of "Semi-Presidentialism"?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So are there any amendments on the RG issue/Senate limit or should I put this to a final vote.

[bore]

Proposing an amendment:

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[Maxwell]

Good amendment.

[bore]

Just to point out, this amendment now basically makes it so senators can only become SOEA SOIA and AG, so we won't see the cabinet being staffed exclusively by senators.

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[tmthforu94]

I like this amendment, especially considering the positions Senators can take are positions we usually need active individuals to fill.

[PJ]

Is there any reason for this other than to "mix things up?"

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Is there any reason for this other than to "mix things up?"

Genuine belief in a semi-presidential system on my part.

[tmthforu94]

Is there any reason for this other than to "mix things up?"

To open up the possibilities for the position. While I think it would be difficult to maintain a cabinet position and serve as a Senator, we have had many Atlasians over the years who I think could do it, and if they desired to, I don't see why the Constitution should limit them in that regard.

[PJ]

Is there any reason for this other than to "mix things up?"

Genuine belief in a semi-presidential system on my part.

Is there any reason for this other than to "mix things up?"

To open up the possibilities for the position. While I think it would be difficult to maintain a cabinet position and serve as a Senator, we have had many Atlasians over the years who I think could do it, and if they desired to, I don't see why the Constitution should limit them in that regard.

Fair enough. I will support this if it is sent to the regions.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

We ready to go here now?

[President Tyrion]

Yes, I motion for a final vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators, a final vote is now open on Senate passage of the Semi-Presidentialism Amendment, please vote, Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Maxwell]

Aye

[Senator Spiral]

Aye

[tmthforu94]

Aye

[President Tyrion]

Aye