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« Reply #2775 on: September 15, 2017, 08:53:22 AM »

My wahl o mat score

Die linke 62%
Greens 60.5%
Cdu 59%
Spd 58%
Pirates! 58%
Npd 50%
Fdp 49%
AFD 45%
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« Reply #2776 on: September 15, 2017, 09:09:36 AM »


Is there a separate poll on the preference of CSU voters? They don't seem to like the Greens very much.
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« Reply #2777 on: September 15, 2017, 09:44:25 AM »
« Edited: September 16, 2017, 10:29:14 AM by DavidB. »

I just made a compilation of the questions German voters ask Google. Especially liked the ones for the Greens. "Warum sind die Grünen gegen Deutschland?" Cheesy

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« Reply #2778 on: September 15, 2017, 09:48:24 AM »

Warum ist die CDU Schwarz? -.-
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« Reply #2779 on: September 15, 2017, 10:31:22 AM »

"Why is the left breast bigger?" Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #2780 on: September 15, 2017, 11:06:46 AM »

Because I can't read German, I did an ISideWith quiz for this.

64% Die PARTEI (uhh)
62% SPD
62% BÜNIDS 90 / Die Grüenen (probably who I'd vote for)
61% CDU
60% Die Linke
58% Piraten Partei (aren't they basically defunct)
56% Union (CDU/CSU) (No clue why this quiz has this)
54% FDP
49% ÖDP
48% CSU
41% LKR
36% AfD (suck it, fascists!)
32% Familienpartei
31% Freie Wähler (also not sure why this is an option)
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« Reply #2781 on: September 15, 2017, 11:11:28 AM »


Scientists still don't really know why that is the case ...

Plus: on the male side, one testicle is below the other (in 85% of the cases it is the left testicle). And this has a reason: Safety (prevents ball-crushing).
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« Reply #2782 on: September 15, 2017, 11:13:02 AM »

I just made a compilation of the questions German voters ask Google. Especially liked the ones for the Greens. "Warum sind die Grünen gegen Deutschland?" Cheesy

Thanks for the chart, but please DO NOT USE imgur in future posts. It doesn't work here.

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« Reply #2783 on: September 15, 2017, 01:04:38 PM »

Die PARTEI had YouGov ask some questions to 2.000 people. The result: 20% of the Germans would like to see Die PARTEI in the Bundestag, among 25 to 44 year old voters it's even 31%. The support for Die PARTEI rises with higher educated people. Berlin and NRW were the most supportive states of the idea to see Die PARTEI in the German parliament, in both 8% strongly supported it and 17% said that they somewhat support it. When it comes to political parties Die PARTEI only gets 11% from CDU/CSU-affiliated voters but 42% from Die Linke affiliated voters. 30% of the Germans would like to see Die PARTEI represented more often in political talkshows.
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« Reply #2784 on: September 15, 2017, 01:18:03 PM »

I actually think there's a decent chance Die PARTEI AfD-2013s this, as in performing best of the minor parties and then spinning that into a surge where they can get in to the various Landtags that are having elections next. Whether they decay quickly like the Pirates did or stick around, like the Greens and AfD, would remain to be seen.
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« Reply #2785 on: September 15, 2017, 02:29:51 PM »
« Edited: September 15, 2017, 02:36:34 PM by Bumaye »

The results for the U18 election in 1.500 schools across the nation are in:  
  
CDU: 28,3%  
SPD: 19,8%  
Grüne: 16,7%  
Linke: 8,3%  
AfD: 6,8%  
FDP: 5,7%  
Animal Protection Party: 3,9%  
Die PARTEI: 3,0%  
Pirate Party: 2,7%  
NPD: 1,2%  
 
I actually think there's a decent chance Die PARTEI AfD-2013s this, as in performing best of the minor parties and then spinning that into a surge where they can get in to the various Landtags that are having elections next.
 
 
Nah, I think the only chance is a city state election and the next one is Bremen in early 2019.   
Though I doubt it would go down like the Pirate Party. The difference is that people wanted legit answers from the Pirates which they couldn't provide at that point. Nobody expects Die PARTEI to have serious answers, their job is to criticize the established parties from the left as the AfD does from the right.
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« Reply #2786 on: September 15, 2017, 05:11:48 PM »


I actually think there's a decent chance Die PARTEI AfD-2013s this, as in performing best of the minor parties and then spinning that into a surge where they can get in to the various Landtags that are having elections next.
 
 
Nah, I think the only chance is a city state election and the next one is Bremen in early 2019.   
Though I doubt it would go down like the Pirate Party. The difference is that people wanted legit answers from the Pirates which they couldn't provide at that point. Nobody expects Die PARTEI to have serious answers, their job is to criticize the established parties from the left as the AfD does from the right.

Isn't that actually Linke's job? The AfD is a serious party, just like the Pirates or Linke. Die PARTEI is a literal parody party
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« Reply #2787 on: September 16, 2017, 05:00:52 AM »

I just made a compilation of the questions German voters ask Google. Especially liked the ones for the Greens. "Warum sind die Grünen gegen Deutschland?" Cheesy

Thanks for the chart, but please DO NOT USE imgur in future posts. It doesn't work here.

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Funnily it worked for a second, but then the pic disappeared... Undecided
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« Reply #2788 on: September 16, 2017, 05:07:35 AM »

I actually think there's a decent chance Die PARTEI AfD-2013s this, as in performing best of the minor parties and then spinning that into a surge where they can get in to the various Landtags that are having elections next. Whether they decay quickly like the Pirates did or stick around, like the Greens and AfD, would remain to be seen.

Not gonna happen. They're a joke party and everbody knows it, even those who vote for them. Their maximum potential under the best of circumstances probably lies at around 2%.
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« Reply #2789 on: September 16, 2017, 06:13:52 AM »

I actually think there's a decent chance Die PARTEI AfD-2013s this, as in performing best of the minor parties and then spinning that into a surge where they can get in to the various Landtags that are having elections next. Whether they decay quickly like the Pirates did or stick around, like the Greens and AfD, would remain to be seen.

Not gonna happen. They're a joke party and everybody knows it, even those who vote for them. Their maximum potential under the best of circumstances probably lies at around 2%.

Exactly. During the 2014 European elections, when the voter-turnout was extremely low in Germany (48.1%), where the 3% threshold had just been abolished, the PARTEI only received 0.6% of the vote, which was barely sufficient to win one single seat in the European Parliament.

But there is indeed a tiny chance that the PARTEI will be represented in the next Bundestag...
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« Reply #2790 on: September 16, 2017, 07:09:40 AM »

Once again illustrates that right-wing populist voters are not motivated by economic concerns or a fear of losing their jobs:

"What are the issues that determine your vote?"



Asylum and immigration / Jobs and welfare / Terrorism / Education / Crime
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« Reply #2791 on: September 16, 2017, 10:43:50 AM »

https://deutschland.isidewith.com/en/results/3292000083
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« Reply #2792 on: September 16, 2017, 10:58:34 AM »

https://deutschland.isidewith.com/en/results/1563551855
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« Reply #2793 on: September 16, 2017, 11:11:01 AM »
« Edited: September 17, 2017, 09:09:42 AM by Great Again VI: The Bane of Bannon »


Weird quiz which contains some decidedly "American" issues/questions which play no role whatsoever in this or any other German election campaign.

Take the death penalty question for instance. None of the seven (if we count the CSU separately) political parties who will enter the Bundestag advocates the introduction of the death penalty. Even if one of them were, they'd still need a two-third majority in Bundestag and Bundesrat to change the constitution. And even if they had that two-third majority, EU treaties still wouldn't allow it. So, this and some other of these questions deal largely in hypotheticals.

Anyway, my results were:

Greens 72%
Left 70%
The Party 70%
SPD 69%
FDP 59%
CDU/CSU 58%
CDU 58% (what, CDU and CSU are included thrice in this quiz?)
Pirates 57%
ÖDP 48%
CSU 45%
ALFA 38% (note: ALFA doesn't exist under that label anymore, they're called LKR now... they're also not on the ballot in any state this election)
AfD 35%

https://deutschland.isidewith.com/en/results/3292011940
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« Reply #2794 on: September 16, 2017, 11:17:22 AM »

iSideWith is complete garbage outside the U.S. Should Swaziland engage in a military campaign to oust Kim Jong-Un?
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« Reply #2795 on: September 16, 2017, 12:36:28 PM »

Do you support the death penalty ?

... what a ridiculous question to ask in Germany or Austria, where only 15% of the population support it and not a single party either (not even the AfD or the FPÖ).
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« Reply #2796 on: September 16, 2017, 01:05:48 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2017, 01:07:26 PM by Bumaye »


Exactly. During the 2014 European elections, when the voter-turnout was extremely low in Germany (48.1%), where the 3% threshold had just been abolished, the PARTEI only received 0.6% of the vote, which was barely sufficient to win one single seat in the European Parliament.

But there is indeed a tiny chance that the PARTEI will be represented in the next Bundestag...
 
  
You write that as if 0,6% were a bad result. In the German election only a year earlier they received only 0,18% of the votes. Now people talk about 2% already. Die PARTEI exists since 2004 and they have only gained with each election. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Especially if we go into a next Grand Coalition.  
  
BTT:  
  
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-PARTEI: 85%
-Grüne: 83%  
-Linke 82%  
-SPD: 75%  
-FDP: 53%  
-CDU: 50%  
-AFD: 26% 
 
But yeah, that thing is horsesh**t. It includes ALFA which 1) is named LKR now and 2) is not running in this election.
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« Reply #2797 on: September 16, 2017, 02:08:37 PM »

Schulz's future after this election

Martin Schulz was asked about his future after this election in the TV programme "Frag selbst" on 27th August 2017.

In case you don't win the chancellorship, will you enter the Bundestag or will you return to Brussels; or will you even switch to the private sector?

Martin Schulz: I stand as a candidate for the German Bundestag. Of course, I will accept my mandate in the Bundestag. And to make it clear, I'll remain the federal chairman of the SPD, too. I will lead my party beyond election day in any case.

No matter what the [Bundestag election] result will look like?

Martin Schulz: Well, I was elected [as SPD chairman] with 100% of the vote at the party conference in March. We'll have a regular party conference in December, and of course, I'll stand for election there again.


Isn't it a bit self-evident that a party that has been in coalitions with the government for the majority of this past decade, and is going into the election as one, isn't going to convincingly argue they're the vehicle for change? That consensus seemed to be best shown within the debates, where there was mockery on how often the two leaders agreed.

I welcome Schulz's support for a Red-Green government, and his focus within the campaign, but I think until the SPD are out of government they will not be able to land the punches and channel the public disquiet and are left languishing.

It is a shame it's going to AFD, but not in the least bit surprising.

Since red-green is very far away from a majority, I assume you meant red-red-green. Well, Schulz only said that he doesn't rule out this coalition under certain conditions. I wouldn't really call that support.

True, the recent grand coalitions are additional baggage for the SPD. But do you remember when the SPD's poll figures suddenly surged after Schulz entered the stage of German politics? So there were apparently many people who did see a "vehicle for change" in the SPD at that time.
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« Reply #2798 on: September 16, 2017, 03:30:28 PM »


Exactly. During the 2014 European elections, when the voter-turnout was extremely low in Germany (48.1%), where the 3% threshold had just been abolished, the PARTEI only received 0.6% of the vote, which was barely sufficient to win one single seat in the European Parliament.

But there is indeed a tiny chance that the PARTEI will be represented in the next Bundestag...
 
  
You write that as if 0,6% were a bad result. In the German election only a year earlier they received only 0,18% of the votes. Now people talk about 2% already. Die PARTEI exists since 2004 and they have only gained with each election. I don't see that changing anytime soon. Especially if we go into a next Grand Coalition.

The gain in votes in the European election stemmed from the decrease in voter turnout compared against the last Bundestag election.
I do believe like you that the PARTEI may become the eighth-biggest party, but the user assumed that they could "AfD-2013" (nice neologism btw) their results, and that is imho out of reach.
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« Reply #2799 on: September 16, 2017, 04:16:18 PM »
« Edited: September 16, 2017, 04:19:23 PM by Beezer »

More evidence of a late AfD-surge?

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