Senate Bill: Let's Really Eliminate Farm Subsidies Act (Final Vote)

[DemPGH]

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Sponsor: Senator Maxwell
Slot: Executive

The Senator may advocate for this bill at his convenience!

[Maxwell]

I talked this over with some Senators, and while I have the support of one notable Laborite, I do understand this is not likely to pass in it's current form. Therefore, I am willing to talk about what we can do to reduce farm subsidies or reform it in a way that it makes the program we have in place more effective and less costly. Just as long as we change the name of this bill before we do it

[Sbane]

I support this.

[TNF]

I am also in favor of ending the subsidization of Big Ag.

[Gass3268]

Do our subsides go to just Big Ag? If so than I support this whole heartly. Yet if we are giving support to smaller family farms, I think we should continue that or even expand it.

[Maxwell]

Do our subsides go to just Big Ag? If so than I support this whole heartly. Yet if we are giving support to smaller family farms, I think we should continue that or even expand it.

That's a good question, and the way the Farm Subsidy abolition act works, smaller farms get the most benefit, and the it's the bottom 80% of farms. I'll link the Farm Subsidies Abolition Act so we get a good discussion here. I am thinking that we could cut the amount given and then, proportionally, cut the percentage of farms that receive it, only the bottom bracket sort of like a program to help farmers off the ground, or some other method.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Farm_Subsidies_Abolition_Act

Also, even if the Senate chooses to go forward with full abolition, I think we should amendment so that benefits are cut in a way that businesses have ample time to make up for changes in their subsidies.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I really hate big agra. Hate the pro-open borders, the horrible working conditions, the unsafe products (and not just tobacco here either), and the corrupt relationship with the regulatory agencies that are suppose to police them.

I am pretty sure we made efforts to eliminate subsidies for them, and I would have no problem cutting them further or in some otherways reforming but I am not in the business of misapplying my anger at any horrible people and in so doing hurt people we want to help, like the small outfits for instance.

That said if we are going to do this, I will insist on the transition phase that Maxwell spoke of.

[Maxwell]

I really hate big agra. Hate the pro-open borders, the horrible working conditions, the unsafe products (and not just tobacco here either), and the corrupt relationship with the regulatory agencies that are suppose to police them.

I am pretty sure we made efforts to eliminate subsidies for them, and I would have no problem cutting them further or in some otherways reforming but I am not in the business of misapplying my anger at any horrible people and in so doing hurt people we want to help, like the small outfits for instance.

That said if we are going to do this, I will insist on the transition phase that Maxwell spoke of.

I agree with you to a certain extent. and I am glad we are going to work out a transition out of farm subsidies. This may also require a small look at our immigration laws, as I have some questions about our guest worker programs, and if we could use that as a way to grade our farms.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well there is the Ebowed Amnesty bs from back in 2007, and then the stuff we passed last fall and winter. There might be one or two bills in between, that I am forgetting.

[Maxwell]

Here's a more concrete start (an amendment):

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[Maxwell]

What is the justification for subsidies for small farms?

I'll let someone who favors that explain it (from your comment, I think you and I view this through the same lens), but I'm not sure a full fledged elimination of the program has the votes to pass.

[Sbane]

I think we should try for a full elimination of the program.

I oppose your amendment.

[TNF]

I concur with Senator Sbane.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Maxwell]

Sbane already objected

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I mean, "Objection filed by Senator sbane, the above amendment is now at vote, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain".


That is what I get for not reading the thread completely.


AYE

[Sbane]

Nay

[TNF]

Nay.

[Maxwell]

in case we do actually get to do the original intent

Nay

[Хahar 🤔]

Nay

[tmthforu94]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is the justification for subsidies for small farms?

Can anyone answer this, or are we just going to continue spending billions subsidizing small farms because it feels good and might be worth a few votes in the next election?

Well in Atlasia it wouldn't be worth any votes for obvious reasons.

One would possibly to aid rural communities, another could be to avoid monopolization of the food production by a few large agribusiness.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Subsidies can be targeted at small farms looking to expand their business and invest in their communities.  Rural businesses and communities have taken a significant hit from the Great Recession, and the vast urbanization of the country certainly hasn't helped.  If we're going to eliminate these subsidies entirely, the Senate should pass a bill that will boost the economies of rural areas and aid farmers in doing so.

[Napoleon]

nay

[TJ in Oregon]

Aye