SENATE BILL: Comprehensive Drug Reform Act of 2013 (Law'd)
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« Reply #175 on: November 06, 2013, 09:37:42 AM »

Do we want to leave it in line with other drug for hike it? I'm certainly not looking to encourage people to use these dangerous drugs like heroin and crack but I could see where a higher tax my burden the poor even more. Thoughts?

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« Reply #176 on: November 06, 2013, 10:44:47 AM »

I thought the 30% excise rate I had proposed was one I think that makes the most sense, since none of us seemed to really push any sort of idea of measurement for the stuff we are currently legalizing.
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« Reply #177 on: November 06, 2013, 02:01:34 PM »

I would support a flat 30% excise rate, lest we have to define what a "tab" is in legalese.
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« Reply #178 on: November 06, 2013, 06:23:45 PM »

Amendment 58:04 has been adopted.
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« Reply #179 on: November 07, 2013, 01:20:10 AM »

I was talking with Dallasfan and he has him thoughts but he cannot post about them right now. Too many mushrooms or something. Wink Tongue
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« Reply #180 on: November 07, 2013, 08:52:38 PM »

For the record I was actually drinking, not eating mushrooms. Tongue

Are you guys differentiating between dried mushrooms and fresh ones? From what I've gathered there's a pretty big change in weight.

And if one tab of LSD is to be understood as a serving (unless I'm mistaken) why is it taxed significantly less?
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« Reply #181 on: November 08, 2013, 01:55:09 AM »

For the record I was actually drinking, not eating mushrooms. Tongue

Are you guys differentiating between dried mushrooms and fresh ones? From what I've gathered there's a pretty big change in weight.

And if one tab of LSD is to be understood as a serving (unless I'm mistaken) why is it taxed significantly less?

There's no differentiation in this bill. As far as LSD is concerned, the numbers themselves are the result of me throwing random dollar amounts on them.
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« Reply #182 on: November 08, 2013, 02:38:35 AM »

Question: I see no reference to driving under the influence of these drugs. Are DUI laws currently malleable enough to include these new substances? I suggest we create a subcategorization of drugs (oh gawd, a schedule system), and make sure that certain psychoactive drugs without the potential for abuse (like shrooms), are legal but prevent you from being able to drive or operate heavy machinery. Since bans already exist, we could just state that driving under the influence of any drug in that subsection is illegal, be it alcohol, marijuana, psilocybin mushrooms, etc.

I'd like to see my concerns addressed. I do not think we can move forward with any sort of legalization effort without responding to the DUI issue.

Also, perhaps we could be a little tighter on the taxation issue.
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« Reply #183 on: November 08, 2013, 09:56:22 AM »

Keep the heavy tax. I do think the DUI issue needs to be addressed as well. I have no idea how though. I am no expert on these drugs. Tongue
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« Reply #184 on: November 08, 2013, 02:38:25 PM »

Keep the heavy tax. I do think the DUI issue needs to be addressed as well. I have no idea how though. I am no expert on these drugs. Tongue

I should probably clarify. By tighter, I meant we should probably find some consistent tax/serving and work from there.
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« Reply #185 on: November 08, 2013, 06:54:26 PM »

For the record I was actually drinking, not eating mushrooms. Tongue

Are you guys differentiating between dried mushrooms and fresh ones? From what I've gathered there's a pretty big change in weight.

And if one tab of LSD is to be understood as a serving (unless I'm mistaken) why is it taxed significantly less?

There's no differentiation in this bill. As far as LSD is concerned, the numbers themselves are the result of me throwing random dollar amounts on them.

It may be advisable to.

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Riddled with spelling errors, but so far the best authority online that I've found. While dried mushrooms would probably be more practical to sell commercially, there have been instances of fresh mushrooms being sold.

Anywho, I'm unsure which is more potent (I suspect LSD is) but how about this?

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   Psilocybin Mushrooms      $0.55/gram (dried), $0.55/ounce (fresh)
   Dimethylytyptamine (DMT)      $0.10/milligram
   Lsysergic acid diethylamide (LSD)   $0.55/tab
   MDMA            $1.00/gram
   Mescaline            $0.10/milligram
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« Reply #186 on: November 08, 2013, 07:07:04 PM »

I'll sponsor the amendment for dallasfan.
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« Reply #187 on: November 09, 2013, 10:11:08 AM »

I'll sponsor the amendment for dallasfan.

And I'll declare it friendly.

Thanks for giving us some help on this one, dallasfan.
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« Reply #188 on: November 09, 2013, 11:00:29 AM »

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« Reply #189 on: November 11, 2013, 12:02:34 PM »

Man, I got off too early yesterday


The Amendment has been adopted.
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« Reply #190 on: November 12, 2013, 12:42:57 PM »

What now?
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« Reply #191 on: November 12, 2013, 01:40:31 PM »

Final Vote?
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« Reply #192 on: November 12, 2013, 01:41:34 PM »

Time to legalize all these wild drugs!
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« Reply #193 on: November 12, 2013, 04:00:46 PM »

vote! vote! vote!
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« Reply #194 on: November 13, 2013, 09:42:45 AM »

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Having a hard time figuring out whatr happened on page seven. Make sure thisis the right text before proceeding.
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« Reply #195 on: November 13, 2013, 04:27:46 PM »

Subsection 1 of Section 3 was changed a few pages back.
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« Reply #196 on: November 13, 2013, 04:36:07 PM »

Objection to the motion for a final vote. I'm going to add some DUI stuff.
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« Reply #197 on: November 13, 2013, 04:48:57 PM »

I'm going to assume this is the current text:
Section 1 Clause 1 and Section 3 Clause 1 weren't right in the Yankee version, because we're decriminalizing hard drugs and legalizing soft drugs, not just decriminalizing soft drugs.

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« Reply #198 on: November 14, 2013, 01:29:56 AM »

This is all one amendment. I split it up to show where they would go. The penalties are in line with FL 33-12 which defined the penalties for DUIs, but we can discuss whether or not we want to make the penalties harsher or more lenient. A more thorough legislature might go through every drug and determine what acceptable levels would be, but, in the absence of such knowledge in both the real world and in Atlasia, we can punt the issue a bit.

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« Reply #199 on: November 14, 2013, 07:31:34 AM »

Amendment is friendly.
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