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« on: September 24, 2013, 04:14:38 PM »

By "Eisenhower Republican", I mean a candidate who doesn't want to get rid/drastically change Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public education or neutralize/destroy Unions.

Could a moderate to center left Republican (in the vein of Dewey, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford) ever hope to get the nomination at this point?
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2013, 04:29:01 PM »

While Dewey was recognized as a "moderate-to-liberal" Republican, Eisenhower was considered a moderate conservative - kind of American "one nation Tory". Nixon and Ford were not liberal even by context of their days, esspecially Dick, who had some "one nation Tory" traits, but, for the love of God, he was one of fathers of the new conservative tide.

Stop trying to place dead politicians in modern context, that's dumb.

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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2013, 04:29:32 PM »

Hell. No. Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 04:49:49 PM »

I hope so, but probably not. Chris Christie is as close as we'll get. What this country needs is more Republicans like Tom Ridge and less like Ted Cruz.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2013, 04:58:39 PM »

Colin Powell endorsed Obama twice, so no.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2013, 05:28:48 PM »

Nope. 
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2013, 06:11:53 PM »

The Hell does that even mean?
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2013, 07:21:29 PM »

"It is the responsibility of the federal government to take the lead in making certain that the productivity of our great economic machine is distributed so that no one will suffer."
—Dwight Eisenhower

No.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2013, 08:36:04 PM »

No, because they would not run for the GOP nomination. Anyone like that would probably be a Moderate D or an independent.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2013, 08:44:17 PM »

I hope so, but probably not. Chris Christie is as close as we'll get. What this country needs is more Republicans like Tom Ridge and less like Ted Cruz.

Hell even though I'll get flamed for this, I can see a Romney 2016 candidacy doing better in the general election than a Rand Paul 2016 nomination.

I definitely am partial to Bush and Christie. Whether that makes me a new segment of the Republican Party or not, I don't know.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2013, 08:48:47 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2013, 08:49:40 PM »


That, plus whenever the Dems nominate a Cleveland Democrat.
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2013, 08:51:25 PM »

I hope so, but probably not. Chris Christie is as close as we'll get. What this country needs is more Republicans like Tom Ridge and less like Ted Cruz.
I think Christie will win the GOP nomination, but it's unclear how bad will he get beat up in it and how much money will he have to spend.

Christie is also probably the closest to an Eisenhower Republican will get out of the major candidates.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2013, 08:55:42 PM »

I hope so, but probably not. Chris Christie is as close as we'll get. What this country needs is more Republicans like Tom Ridge and less like Ted Cruz.

Hell even though I'll get flamed for this, I can see a Romney 2016 candidacy doing better in the general election than a Rand Paul 2016 nomination.

I definitely am partial to Bush and Christie. Whether that makes me a new segment of the Republican Party or not, I don't know.

I would say otherwise only because Romney might still be considered damaged goods from 2012, but other than that I would agree.

I would definitely prefer Christie over all other candidates right now-I would certainly take him over an obstructive Tea Partier like Cruz. The Republican Party seems to have gone over the edge from no-compromise conservatism into full-on obstruction. Some of us seem to think that everything Democrats do is pure evil and most be stopped, when in reality blocking everything is much worse than actually compromising and finding a viable solution. Unfortunately, this seems to be the mentality certain wings of the GOP have adopted.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2013, 09:08:39 PM »

No, but he or she can and probably will win the Democratic nomination.
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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2013, 09:23:42 PM »

All the Eisenhower Republicans are Democrats now.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2013, 10:11:43 PM »

All the Eisenhower Republicans are Democrats now.

Good point and it's for good reasons too. The parties are half different compared to when Eisenhower was in office. The New England moderates are now Democrats and the socially conservative Democrats are now Republicans.
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2013, 10:49:39 PM »

All the Eisenhower Republicans are Democrats now.

That's funny, 'cause all the Eisenhower Democrats are Republicans now. If they're still alive.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2013, 10:54:02 PM »

All the Eisenhower Republicans are Democrats now.

That's funny, 'cause all the Eisenhower Democrats are Republicans now. If they're still alive.

Ted Cruz would be an Eisenhower Democrat along with former senators Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2013, 11:03:58 PM »

I meant the voters tbh
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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2013, 04:23:14 AM »

Pat McCrory calls himself an Eisenhower Republican.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2013, 02:13:26 AM »

I can see a Romney 2016 candidacy doing better in the general election than a Rand Paul 2016 nomination.

That'd be brutal.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 10:31:27 AM »

While Dewey was recognized as a "moderate-to-liberal" Republican, Eisenhower was considered a moderate conservative - kind of American "one nation Tory". Nixon and Ford were not liberal even by context of their days, esspecially Dick, who had some "one nation Tory" traits, but, for the love of God, he was one of fathers of the new conservative tide.

Stop trying to place dead politicians in modern context, that's dumb.



Mostly true.

And what must be remembered is that there are things other than policy to look at. While you can be like "OMG, progressive hero Nixon signed so much liberal legislation", fact was Nixon didn't gave a damn about domestic policy, and anything liberal he signed was in order to help secure his re-election. He helped push the national debate to the right even while governing to what some might call the left. Look at how he demolished McGovern in 1972 for God's sake. Nixon would likely be able to fit in with the Republican party of any time because that's the type of person he was.

Soon, the left will be praising Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush as progressive heroes because they had deficits and Reagan even raised taxes. Meanwhile, the Republicans will look back with nostalgia on the grand old days of pragmatic--even conservative--Democrats like Barack Obama, who knew what the heck they were doing unlike the Democrats of what will then be the modern era. Just look at the way the GOP is willing to view FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and Clinton, and the way Democrats like to talk about Ike and are starting to discuss Nixon and George H.W. Bush.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 01:59:30 PM »

Pat McCrory calls himself an Eisenhower Republican.
Yeah maybe when he The Mayor Of Charlotte not now definitely not.
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2013, 02:03:45 PM »

I hope so, but probably not. Chris Christie is as close as we'll get. What this country needs is more Republicans like Tom Ridge and less like Ted Cruz.

Hell even though I'll get flamed for this, I can see a Romney 2016 candidacy doing better in the general election than a Rand Paul 2016 nomination.

I definitely am partial to Bush and Christie. Whether that makes me a new segment of the Republican Party or not, I don't know.
I can't see Rand Paul doing worse in terms of the popular vote than McCain did in 2008 receiving 46% of the popular vote. In terms of the electoral college I don't know if Rand would do worse than McCain though.
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