Petition for More Fiscal Responsibility and Sustainable Economic Development

[California8429]

x A-Bob

[Napoleon]

Try reading the bill thread, ZuWo - I've made it clear that I'm not about to sign the guaranteed basic income bill unless we reduce its total cost to well before the initial $1.5 trillion estimate, a point that I've already made clear to you once in another thread.

I know that it's easier to criticize without thinking critically to score a few shallow political points, but how about some collaboration? Federalists like TJ, Maxwell, and Yankee have stepped up to contribute good ideas that will improve the guaranteed basic income bill, even if they're not willing to support it fully. In any case, I would kindly request that you stop acting like this is a shock. The promise of a guaranteed basic income was the linchpin of my campaign. Of course it's up for debate in the Senate.

Strangely enough, ZuWo last criticized the Senate for not going along with a multi-billion dollar proposal to build high-speed rail lines in the Middle East. It seems a bit like "fiscal sustainability" only matters to him when he's not the one bringing home the bacon.

Zuwo is wrong, as usual.

[cheesepizza]

X cheesepizza

[Talleyrand]

It's beyond hilarious how ZuWo can't find count on active players to come sign this petition, so he's gone and PMed all his zombies in the Mideast to come post on this thread.

[TNF]

It's beyond hilarious how ZuWo can't find count on active players to come sign this petition, so he's gone and PMed all his zombies in the Mideast to come post on this thread.

In fairness Talley, he did manage to get HPJ's obvious sock, cheesepizza, to sign it.

[Napoleon]

Any Federalists upset that most ex Liberals are koving to Labor can put basically 100% of the blame on Zuwo.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Any Federalists upset that most ex Liberals are koving to Labor can put basically 100% of the blame on Zuwo.

Please stop trying to suck Labor's dick. This is beyond transparent by now.

[Napoleon]

Any Federalists upset that most ex Liberals are koving to Labor can put basically 100% of the blame on Zuwo.

Please stop trying to suck Labor's dick. This is beyond transparent by now.

Means a lot from an anti-reform Zuwo ally? I don't suck dick mister.

[ZuWo]

I thank everyone who has signed the petition or left a comment so far. It is important that issues like these get as much coverage as possible so many Atlasian citizens can make up their minds.

[Napoleon]

I thank everyone who has signed the petition or left a comment so far. It is important that issues like these get as much coverage as possible so many Atlasian citizens can make up their minds.

This has been a covered issue for well over a month. Federalists like Yankee, Sbane and TJ have been debating this with us and considering that there isn't anything close to a final bill yet, its probably pointless for people to "make up their minds" already. Most Senators haven't.

[ZuWo]

I thank everyone who has signed the petition or left a comment so far. It is important that issues like these get as much coverage as possible so many Atlasian citizens can make up their minds.

This has been a covered issue for well over a month. Federalists like Yankee, Sbane and TJ have been debating this with us and considering that there isn't anything close to a final bill yet, its probably pointless for people to "make up their minds" already. Most Senators haven't.

You are right, all of these issues have been covered by the Senate, but I suspect that there are many Atlasians who hardly ever look at the Senate debate threads. We should do more to inform a larger number of Atlasians about what's happening in regional Assemblies and the Senate, and such petitions are one way to do just that!

[Enderman]

finally! we can stop a debt problem by going back when it started first and stopping it then! Its like re-writing history!


X Jack Enderman

[Napoleon]

ZuWo this was a critical debate in the presidential election. Its not something that just came up in ths Senate and we've been keeping it to ourselves.

Now if you contacted Senators and contributed to the debate you might find someone to listen. Starting an intellectually dishonest petition and PMing your friends and allies (I don't believe in zombies) doesn't do much besides give us the impression that you're a laughingstock. You don't get any credit for starting a debate.

Fortunately most in your party have taken a more measured and reasonable approach. Its obvious to anyone paying attention that Senators  in both parties want to get this done right if we do it at all.

[Supersonic]

x Supersonic

[ZuWo]

As I said, I am aware that the idea of a basic income guarantee has been mentioned before. But the debate in the Senate is taking place now and the public should know about it and get a fair chance to form an opinion on it. Looking at your and other people's comments in this thread I get the impression that it is somehow wrong to debate controversial Senate bills in public. Well, all I can say is that this is Atlasia, not North Korea.

[Talleyrand]

As I said, I am aware that the idea of a basic income guarantee has been mentioned before. But the debate in the Senate is taking place now and the public should know about it and get a fair chance to form an opinion on it. Looking at your and other people's comments in this thread I get the impression that it is somehow wrong to debate controversial Senate bills in public. Well, all I can say is that this is Atlasia, not North Korea.

Debating controversial Senate bills in public wasn't the problem; the issue was using hyperbole, personal attack, and shallow, bandwagon-esque reasoning to try to tear down a new bill before an actual intellectual debate could start. There's an important distinction there.

[ZuWo]

I think the text of my petition is ok - after all I merely used figures from the President and the GM. I don't really discern any personal attacks either, unless you think it's a personal attack to mention the "parasite" quote by Senator TNF ...

[Napoleon]

The TNF quote is pretty disgusting and offensive...

[TNF]

The TNF quote is pretty disgusting and offensive...

Let us all take a moment to pity the poor millionaires I have offended with my accusations. Lord knows that they are constantly under attack in this society of ours. How dare someone speak so of the benighted 'job creators'!

[PJ]

The TNF quote is pretty disgusting and offensive...

Let us all take a moment to pity the poor millionaires I have offended with my accusations. Lord knows that they are constantly under attack in this society of ours. How dare someone speak so of the benighted 'job creators'!

Calling the rich parasites is just as bad as the all the crap shoveled towards the working class. Sure the rich have it better off, and that isn't always fair, but to call them scum for being in a certain class is hypocritical.

[TNF]

The TNF quote is pretty disgusting and offensive...

Let us all take a moment to pity the poor millionaires I have offended with my accusations. Lord knows that they are constantly under attack in this society of ours. How dare someone speak so of the benighted 'job creators'!

Calling the rich parasites is just as bad as the all the crap shoveled towards the working class. Sure the rich have it better off, and that isn't always fair, but to call them scum for being in a certain class is hypocritical.

Trying to score moderate hero points, PJ?

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Come on guys let's have some civility here. This is a petition thread so if you want to vent vent in your own threads.

[Talleyrand]

I think the text of my petition is ok - after all I merely used figures from the President and the GM. I don't really discern any personal attacks either, unless you think it's a personal attack to mention the "parasite" quote by Senator TNF ...

I must have been thinking of your claim that this was a "$150 trillion "wealth distribution" utopia" then. Ah well. Seems like fear-mongering is your strategy of choice.

[Supersonic]

The TNF quote is pretty disgusting and offensive...

That's the modern day Atlasian Labour Party for you.

[PJ]

The TNF quote is pretty disgusting and offensive...

Let us all take a moment to pity the poor millionaires I have offended with my accusations. Lord knows that they are constantly under attack in this society of ours. How dare someone speak so of the benighted 'job creators'!

Calling the rich parasites is just as bad as the all the crap shoveled towards the working class. Sure the rich have it better off, and that isn't always fair, but to call them scum for being in a certain class is hypocritical.

Trying to score moderate hero points, PJ?

No, I thought the idea behind socialism was equality, not elevating one class above the other.