George Zimmerman verdict?

[Link]

Seeing someone out of place in the neighborhood is probably a reason to watch, and not illegal.

I cannot believe in 2013 I just read this.  Just when you think we've made progress in this country...

[J. J.]

Seeing someone out of place in the neighborhood is probably a reason to watch, and not illegal.

I cannot believe in 2013 I just read this.  Just when you think we've made progress in this country...

You should.  14 years ago, I was in a neighborhood and some came out of his house and basically asked me, politely, what the Hell I was doing there.  That pretty much convinced me I should move in, to North Philadelphia.  I want neighbors who look out for me.

Link, you might want to check the demographics of North Philadelphia. 

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

[J. J.]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

Mine isn't and we are close knit.  What are the demographics of my neighborhood, BRTD?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

Mine isn't and we are close knit.  What are the demographics of my neighborhood, BRTD?

Irrelevant. The point is that I see people I don't recognize here EVERY SINGLE TIME I go outside unless it's like 3AM or something (and sometimes even then.)

[J. J.]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

Mine isn't and we are close knit.  What are the demographics of my neighborhood, BRTD?

Irrelevant. The point is that I see people I don't recognize here EVERY SINGLE TIME I go outside unless it's like 3AM or something (and sometimes even then.)

Many neighborhoods are not like yours.

[barfbag]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

Mine isn't and we are close knit.  What are the demographics of my neighborhood, BRTD?

Irrelevant. The point is that I see people I don't recognize here EVERY SINGLE TIME I go outside unless it's like 3AM or something (and sometimes even then.)

Not all neighborhoods are like this. Some neighborhoods don't like strangers and defend each other against possible attacks. My parents' gated neighborhood is like this. Not everyone lives in an area where roamers run rampant and strangers are free to enter. If you ask me, I think the gated community sounds safer anyway.

[J. J.]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

Mine isn't and we are close knit.  What are the demographics of my neighborhood, BRTD?

Irrelevant. The point is that I see people I don't recognize here EVERY SINGLE TIME I go outside unless it's like 3AM or something (and sometimes even then.)

Not all neighborhoods are like this. Some neighborhoods don't like strangers and defend each other against possible attacks. My parents' gated neighborhood is like this. Not everyone lives in an area where roamers run rampant and strangers are free to enter. If you ask me, I think the gated community sounds safer anyway.

I live in what BRTD would classify as a ghetto.  It is not gated, but it a close knit neighborhood where people do watch out for each other.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

[J. J.]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

BRTD doesn't have the cahones to walk down J.J.'s street......I'm not sure I do either. 

[anvi]

J.J., you agreed above that Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his car.  Why?  Isn't it because Martin could have been provoked by that action, or because the action could have brought danger to the lives of both Martin and Zimmerman?  If that's so, then some aspects of Zimmerman's pursuit were provocative.  The dispatcher knew this, which is why Zimmerman was advised to stay put. 

We're all coming to unwarranted conclusions here because we don't know exactly what happened.  But, to me, I think we should understand this incident not to satisfy anyone's sense of "outrage," but because there could be important lessons in it.

I'm personally more distressed by the crushingly tragic numbers of deaths in the streets of Chicago these days than by this incident.  Way too many children getting cut down by stray bullets--it's terrible.

[J. J.]

J.J., you agreed above that Zimmerman should not have gotten out of his car.  Why?  Isn't it because Martin could have been provoked by that action, or because the action could have brought danger to the lives of both Martin and Zimmerman?  If that's so, then some aspects of Zimmerman's pursuit were provocative.  The dispatcher knew this, which is why Zimmerman was advised to stay put. 

I think it was dangerous for both, as it turned out to be.  I'm not sure it was provocative.  Was Zimmerman actually following Martin when he got out?  Did Martin decide that it would be a good chance to jump him, and that he'd hide along Zimmerman's possible path?  Zimmerman at least claimed he got out to check the street sign.  Were the names changed recently, and he wasn't sure?

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I actually didn't conclude anything until the trial.  I think it will be interesting to see if Martin's family files a wrongful death suit.  I certainly think the prosecution did not prove Zimmerman committed murder or manslaughter and the closest thing to a racial threat came from Martin, from the testimony, and it was prosecution witness.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

So then people in my neighborhood don't as we don't harass anyone we see that we don't recognize? Though I must ask how I'm going to know and recognize all 15,000 residents.

[J. J.]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

So then people in my neighborhood don't as we don't harass anyone we see that we don't recognize? Though I must ask how I'm going to know and recognize all 15,000 residents.

Asking isn't harassing anyone.  I'm sorry if you don't understand that. 

[ag]

So I should ask every single person I see in my neighborhood that I don't recognize why they're there? Then I'd be quite busy every time I go outside.

Mine isn't and we are close knit.  What are the demographics of my neighborhood, BRTD?

Irrelevant. The point is that I see people I don't recognize here EVERY SINGLE TIME I go outside unless it's like 3AM or something (and sometimes even then.)

Many neighborhoods are not like yours.

Scary...

But even then, in a free society, unless we are talking of a private club, only open to paying members and their registered guests, asking a random stranger, what he is doing there, is, at least, highly inappropriate.

[ag]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other.  

So then people in my neighborhood don't as we don't harass anyone we see that we don't recognize? Though I must ask how I'm going to know and recognize all 15,000 residents.

Asking isn't harassing anyone.  I'm sorry if you don't understand that.  

But the appropriate non-harassing response is to tell the questioner to go frook  himself. Any other answer would be inadequate.

[ag]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

BRTD doesn't have the cahones to walk down J.J.'s street......I'm not sure I do either. 

"Cojones", sir. It is "cojones".

And, yeah, I'd, probably, be dead if I ever dared to show up in the J.J. neighborhood.

[ag]

Seeing someone out of place in the neighborhood is probably a reason to watch, and not illegal.

I cannot believe in 2013 I just read this.  Just when you think we've made progress in this country...

You should.  14 years ago, I was in a neighborhood and some came out of his house and basically asked me, politely, what the Hell I was doing there.  That pretty much convinced me I should move in, to North Philadelphia.  I want neighbors who look out for me.

Link, you might want to check the demographics of North Philadelphia. 

You should move to North Pyongyang. They, actually, appoint a leader to look up for you there.

[ag]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

Where has the liberty gone?

[7,052,770]

If I saw a black kid walking in my neighborhood, I would assume he was the child of one of my neighbors, rather than a criminal.  Knowing that there were lots of blacks who live in the neighborhood, why didn't Zimmerman make that same assumption?

[J. J.]

If I saw a black kid walking in my neighborhood, I would assume he was the child of one of my neighbors, rather than a criminal.  Knowing that there were lots of blacks who live in the neighborhood, why didn't Zimmerman make that same assumption?

I'm not sure that there were a lot of black kids, or kids.  Also, Zimmerman did call 911 on white kids.  That was brought out at trial.

[J. J.]

I live in a hipster neighborhood full of coffeeshops and hordes of ethnic restaurants. There's always someone out not from here. Plus how am I going to recognize every single person from an apartment a block away? Luckily we are a welcoming and non-xenophobic place.

We are quite inclusive, but we watch out for each other. 

So then people in my neighborhood don't as we don't harass anyone we see that we don't recognize? Though I must ask how I'm going to know and recognize all 15,000 residents.

Asking isn't harassing anyone.  I'm sorry if you don't understand that. 

But the appropriate non-harassing response is to tell the questioner to go  himself. Any other answer would be inadequate.

On what planet?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm going to do an experiment right now. I'm going to leave my apartment and walk around the block once. And then I'm going to count every single person I don't recognize but see. And don't question why they're there.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well due to all the people at outdoor tables at cafes and restaurants this might not be possible. But I've already seen four people just walking down one street. One of whom reeked of pot when I passed him.