Virginia 2005 Gubernatorial Election

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A Republican smear campaign was inevitable. What Kaine does in the next two or three days will decide whether he still has a chance to win.

Kaine deserves to be smeared if he hates justice, which apparently appears to be true.

[Moooooo]

Little bit of an Update:

The first ad attacks Kaine for voluntarily defending the murderer.  Thats completely false. Tim Kaine was court-appointed.  Second, apparently both of the people murdred in the first ad were involved in a drug deal gone bad.

You can view Kaine's response ad here:

http://kaine2005.org/media/tv/whereistand_player.swf

[Flying Dog]

when is the election?

[© tweed]

when is the election?

Election Day 2005.  November 8th I believe.

[AuH2O]

The "Kelly" ad is not misleading from what I can tell. And it mixes in illegal immigration- where Kaine is weak and Kilgore strong.

The "Stanley" ad is amazingly powerful, but it certainly does not tell the whole story. Illegally buying drugs does not make one a legitimate target for murder, however.

Kaine is totally doneski IMO. Death penalty, taxes, illegal immigration... no way someone to the extreme left on all three is going to win in VA.

[Flying Dog]

when is the election?

Election Day 2005.  November 8th I believe.

Then I believe that the election is still up in the air

[??????????]

The "Stanley" ad is amazingly powerful, but it certainly does not tell the whole story. Illegally buying drugs does not make one a legitimate target for murder, however.

I agree, drug purchasing, even though illegal, does not justify the buyer being murdered.

[Moooooo]

I agree with states and AuH2O.  However, I have more sympathy for a couple gunned down in their home for no reason over a couple that is voluntarily involved in a drug transaction.  Dont get me wrong, I feel for both, but Couple A had no say in their destiny, however, Couple B did.

I also agree that this could be the final blow for Kaine.  If Kaine doesnt get on the attack ASAP, he's done.  IMO, he should get a spot running on Kilgores term as Secretary of Public Safety in which prison breaks were up 300%.  Probably wont be enough though.

One more thing, Kaine's response is horrible.

[CARLHAYDEN]

I've been trying to tell everyone that Kaine is NOT Warner redux

Kaine is a LIBERAL.

He is opposed to the right to keep and bear arms.

He doesn't want to DO anything to stop illegal immigration.

He opposes capital punishment.

He support tax increases per se.

He is pretending is is antiabortion (ROTFLMAO).

Kilgore is verbally challenged, and Kaine has had help in the debates from the VERY partial moderator.

However, facts are important, and although he has generally tried to evade the facts, Kaine is NOT Warner, and IS a loser.

[Ben.]

He is pretending is is antiabortion (ROTFLMAO).

He is, and on the tax piont it was Warner who introduced a much needed tax rise which has really helped the state's education system... Kaine isn't a Liberal, he isn't as consistantly moderate as Warner but he stands solidly to the right of mainstream liberal democrats (Kerry, Biden, Dodd etc...).

[CARLHAYDEN]

Well, lets look at the record:

1. Abortion

Kaine SAYS he is sort of opposed to abortion

However, what he means by that is that he wants voters who are opposed to abortion to vote for him.

He IS a strong supporter of Roe v. Wade,  which the courts have held prevents limitations upon abortion which Kaine SAYS he supports.

In short, it is a contradiction of position.  An attempt to have your cake and eat it too.

2. Taxes

While it may occasionally be necessary to raise taxes (the Warner position), the idea that taxes should be increased in just about every situation (the Kaine position) is quite different.

3. Others Issues

I take it you have conceded that his is opposed to the right to keep and bear arms, doesn't want to DO anything to stop illegal immigration and opposes the death penalty.

[© tweed]

New Rasmussen Poll -- Oct. 12

Kilgore 46%
Kaine 44%
Potts 1%

link

[stry_cat]

I've been trying to tell everyone that Kaine is NOT Warner redux

Kaine is a LIBERAL.

Its not so much that Kaine is not Warner or that Kaine is a left-wing nut job, it is that Kilgore won't take a stand on any issue. 

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Maybe.  However Kaine has answered the VCDL survey and has not been endorced by this key group.  Kilgore and Potts are the only two state-wide candidates who haven't answered the survey.  Unless they're willing to take a public stand and answer the survey you really don't know where they stand.  Kilgore is supposed to be pro-gun but he won't answer 13 simple questions to show everyone how pro-gun he is.  Kaine has answered them and isn't afraid to tell us exactly how anti-gun he is.

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This is the Federal Gov't job not the state's.  It really shouldn't enter into the debate.

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Kaine says he'll enforce the death penality.  I haven't found a statewide group that focuses on the death penality which has made public their survey.  So I don't really know where either candidate stands on the issue.  VA is very pro-death penality and both candidates sound like they will do the job.

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So does Kilgore.  Not only was Kilgore the campaign chairman for Sen Chichester, who wanted a higher tax increase than Gov Warner, but Kilgore still has not taken the Americans for Tax Reform Taxpayer Protection Pledge. 

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Like the death penality, VA is very pro-life.  The Virginia branch of NARAL won't endorce Kaine.  Also the General Assembly won't pass any pro-abortion laws anyway.  Also I couldn't find a (pro- or anti-) abortion group which published answers to their surveys.  So again I don't really know where either of these two candidates stand.

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I agree.  Sabato always favors the Democrats.  I don't undertand why he's allowed to moderate these debates.

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Before becomming Lt. Gov. Kaine was not Warner, but since becomming Lt. Gov he's worked hard to become much more like Warner.  The real problem is Kilgore is too much like Mark Early and John Chichester.  Both Kaine and Kilgore should lose but not to Potts, who is just off the deep end.  I just wish the Libertarians had put someone up this time.

[TheresNoMoney]

Larry Sabato is a Republican, fools.

I didn't think he favored the Democrats at all. It wasn't Sabato's fault that Kilgore doesn't answer the questions.

[MHS2002]

The reasoning behind NARAL not endorsing Kaine was that at the time of the endorsement, Potts was on a big pro-abortion kick and made himself out to be the abortion candidate in the race. NARAL didn't endorse Potts because they felt his pro-abortion views would be best served in the state senate.

[nini2287]

Larry Sabato is a Republican, fools.

I didn't think he favored the Democrats at all. It wasn't Sabato's fault that Kilgore doesn't answer the questions.

He gave $500 to Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson's primary camapaign in 1999.

[TheresNoMoney]

He's well known as a Republican.

Just because he gave money to one conservative Democrat in Utah doesn't mean much.

[nini2287]

He's well known as a Republican.

Just because he gave money to one conservative Democrat in Utah doesn't mean much.

I'm curious where you're getting that from (I haven't heard evidence either way-except for the Matheson thing)

[TheresNoMoney]

I've read it numerous times. I'll see what I can find.

[nini2287]

I've read it numerous times. I'll see what I can find.

That's ok, I believe you.

[Moooooo]

Ive heard he's an right leaning Independent.  I distinctly remember reading that somewhere.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

How are the Attorny General and Lt. Governor races shaping up?

[Frodo]

How are the Attorny General and Lt. Governor races shaping up?

I'm not so sure about the Attorney General's race, but Bill Bolling (the Republican candidate for Lieutenant Governor) is widely expected to beat the Democrat Leslie Byrne soundly in November.  The contest between her and Bolling is one of a traditional liberal versus a traditional conservative.  This being Virginia, it is self-evident what the result will be.     

[nini2287]

How are the Attorny General and Lt. Governor races shaping up?

Deeds (the Democratic AG candidate) was endorsed by the NRA.

[Frodo]

How are the Attorny General and Lt. Governor races shaping up?

Deeds (the Democratic AG candidate) was endorsed by the NRA.

Yes, and for that reason that may be the one top seat we may be best able to win next month.