France legalizes same-sex marriage and adoption

[afleitch]

The opposition to the marriage bill was probably the campest and 'gayest' protest I have ever seen. I've seen striaghter gay rights parades. I full expect it to be announced as one elaborate joke for a tv special.

[JonBidinger]

What does this mean for all French overseas territories?

Legal everywhere that is integral to France (French Guiana, Guadelope, Martinique, Reunion, Mayotte). They're as much a part of France as Paris. Not sure on areas with more autonomy like New Caledonia, but I suspect it does not apply.

Article 22 of the law specifies that the law will apply (except a few random parts which are not that important) to New Caledonia, French Polynesia and Wallis-et-Futuna.

So it applies to all but Saint Pierre et Miquelon, Saint Martin, and Saint Barthelemy?

[MaxQue]

What does this mean for all French overseas territories?

Legal everywhere that is integral to France (French Guiana, Guadelope, Martinique, Reunion, Mayotte). They're as much a part of France as Paris. Not sure on areas with more autonomy like New Caledonia, but I suspect it does not apply.

Article 22 of the law specifies that the law will apply (except a few random parts which are not that important) to New Caledonia, French Polynesia and Wallis-et-Futuna.

So it applies to all but Saint Pierre et Miquelon, Saint Martin, and Saint Barthelemy?

I suppose it is applying there too, since all laws apply there except if they are in speical devolved areas, without the need of mentioning them in the law.

[Hash]

What does this mean for all French overseas territories?

Legal everywhere that is integral to France (French Guiana, Guadelope, Martinique, Reunion, Mayotte). They're as much a part of France as Paris. Not sure on areas with more autonomy like New Caledonia, but I suspect it does not apply.

Article 22 of the law specifies that the law will apply (except a few random parts which are not that important) to New Caledonia, French Polynesia and Wallis-et-Futuna.

So it applies to all but Saint Pierre et Miquelon, Saint Martin, and Saint Barthelemy?

It applies there too, since these 3 islands are fairly normal overseas territorial collectivities (but not DOMs) and they don't have extensive devolved powers or a special status.

[Benj]

The opposition to the marriage bill was probably the campest and 'gayest' protest I have ever seen. I've seen striaghter gay rights parades. I full expect it to be announced as one elaborate joke for a tv special.

Only in France would this be an anti-gay protest:

[King]

That protest reminds me of the metrosexual pride parade from the Queer Eye South Park episode.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The opposition to the marriage bill was probably the campest and 'gayest' protest I have ever seen. I've seen striaghter gay rights parades. I full expect it to be announced as one elaborate joke for a tv special.

Only in France would this be an anti-gay protest:

ROFLMAO

[MaxQue]

To be fair, young French men often look and act "gay", for North American standards. We have lots of them on the campus, at Montréal, and it disturbs my gaydar very much.

[danny]

The opposition to the marriage bill was probably the campest and 'gayest' protest I have ever seen. I've seen striaghter gay rights parades. I full expect it to be announced as one elaborate joke for a tv special.

Only in France would this be an anti-gay protest:

WTF

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh Lord that's hilarious!

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Come on, these guys must obviously be trolling... I mean... COME ON!

To be fair, young French men often look and act "gay", for North American standards. We have lots of them on the campus, at Montréal, and it disturbs my gaydar very much.

There's a rather great leap between metrosexual fashionable straights, and wearing pink pants, scarfs, and no shirts.

[Leftbehind]

That's like posting a picture of men dressed in drag on a stag-do to prove Britain's camp; they've clearly dressed up for the occasion, whether to be hilariously ironic or desperately use their pink attire to try and deflect from engaging in an openly homophobic protest. 

[Siloch]

The opposition to the marriage bill was probably the campest and 'gayest' protest I have ever seen. I've seen striaghter gay rights parades. I full expect it to be announced as one elaborate joke for a tv special.

Only in France would this be an anti-gay protest:

They are probably dressing "gay" on purpose. Like how straight guys act and talk gay to people they call gay.

[Benj]

That's like posting a picture of men dressed in drag on a stag-do to prove Britain's camp; they've clearly dressed up for the occasion, whether to be hilariously ironic or desperately use their pink attire to try and deflect from engaging in an openly homophobic protest.  

Sort of. My understanding is that the anti-gay-marriage movement adopted pink as their color formally, so even the more "normal" protesters were often wearing pink shirts or scarves or sashes and so forth. I don't think it was necessarily intended as ironic here.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I don't think the protesters were necessarily striving to "look gay" (although it's possible). What is certain is that this bunch of reactionary stooges has proven itself to be extremely "modern" and media savvy: my guess is that they put on this hilarious attire precisely to draw attention.

[politicus]

Sort of. My understanding is that the anti-gay-marriage movement adopted pink as their color formally, so even the more "normal" protesters were often wearing pink shirts or scarves or sashes and so forth. I don't think it was necessarily intended as ironic here.

Well, chosing pink as the colour of the anti-gay movement was clearly intended to mock the gays, even if that, for obvious reasons, wasnt said out loud.

[H. Ross Peron]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

[Velasco]

Those guys are obvious trolls. I can't help but laughing at the sight of a bunch of Catholic fundamentalists dressed in pink, but this sort of parody is morally disgusting.

[Hash]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

Really? I certainly get Veil, and I don't expect any politician from the 70s, even the most progressive minded, to support this, but Jospin?

[MaxQue]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

Really? I certainly get Veil, and I don't expect any politician from the 70s, even the most progressive minded, to support this, but Jospin?

What did you seriously expect from that fossil of another era?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

Really? I certainly get Veil, and I don't expect any politician from the 70s, even the most progressive minded, to support this, but Jospin?

What did you seriously expect from that fossil of another era?

While Jospin certainly belongs to a previous generation of French politicians, I think that as a leftist and committed social progressive (PACS was as big a thing in 1999 as gay marriage is today, remember) he could well have supported it.

[MaxQue]

Ironically the French minister who helped push for legalized abortion in the '70s, Simone Veil opposed legalizing same-sex marriage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simone_Veil

Lionel Jospin, the PS Prime Minister whose government created civil unions (PACS), also opposed same-sex marriage this year.

Really? I certainly get Veil, and I don't expect any politician from the 70s, even the most progressive minded, to support this, but Jospin?

What did you seriously expect from that fossil of another era?

While Jospin certainly belongs to a previous generation of French politicians, I think that as a leftist and committed social progressive (PACS was as big a thing in 1999 as gay marriage is today, remember) he could well have supported it.

From what I get, he doesn't care much, but is pressured by his very bigoted wife.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Sylviane Agacinski is a conservative?

[MaxQue]

Sylviane Agacinski is a conservative?

She is strongly opposed to gay mariage, because mariage is based on the differences between men and women.
In short, she is one of the extreme feminists which seems to see gay marriage as a plot to undermine women, as two fathers could replace a woman.