are Trotskyists morally superior to Stalinists?
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Peter the Lefty
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2013, 08:53:45 PM »

Yes, because Stalin had more blood on his hands (though Trotsky had his fair share though).  They're equally obnoxious.  Trots because of their constant sarcastic cynicism and mindless loyalty to whoever it is that the US is against.  Stalinists because of the mere fact that they're actually dumb enough to support a man like Stalin. 
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2013, 08:54:50 PM »

Stalinists don't really have all that much to do with Stalin, so I'm not sure where you're getting this... Huh
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2013, 01:29:00 AM »

Stalinists don't really have all that much to do with Stalin, so I'm not sure where you're getting this... Huh

maybe something to do with the name?
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2013, 03:48:26 AM »

Yes if only because Stalinists are the worst group the 20th century has ever known.

The Nazis were far, far worse than the Stalinists.

Don't forget the Khmer Rouge.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2013, 12:08:27 PM »

Nonsense. You are neither a Communist nor a member of an ethnic minority. You had nothing whatsoever to fear from either man.

My grandparents are prosperous and own a large farm, my parents are capitalists, multiple members of my family are in the clergy, and I am a card carrying member of a bourgeois political party. I'm assuming some combination of those would get me in a gulag Tongue

Hmmm... not a gulag, but the farm thing could end you in starvation. Though really only if you're also a member of an ethnic minority.
Capitalists... depending on exact income (and happenstance, and timing) we're talking either what Al said or no problem. Just stay on as "executive manager" of what you used to "own". It is conceivable that exile is preceded by a short jail term for your father.
Clergy... depending on their behavior, it is possible - though a lot less than likely - that some of these relatives will find themselves in jail or a gulag. Not you, though.
Card carrying member... you wouldn't be.

None of this puts you in the actually most at risk groups under Stalin. Alas. Smiley


Huh Krasnodar region was affected by Holodomor as well. Canadian equivalent would probably be Manitoba or SK(grain growing regions).

I guess I am not entirely correct, before the famine the population in Kuban was approximately equally split between Russian & Ukranian speakers.
Meh, I guess the Cossacks count as a quasi ethnic minority or something.

Oh yeah, and re that Trotsky quote... that was of course before Stalin started deporting ethnic minorities wholesale, back when (apart from the Great Famine, which is... special... including in terms of cases) Stalin was mostly engaged in killing Socialists.
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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2013, 06:42:18 PM »

Trots are the most tedious and obnoxious people on Earth.  Stalinists are just geriatric coots, but tend to be insular and hostile to outsiders rather than evangelizing like Trots, who are the preachiest and most evangelizing political sect this side of the Larouchites.  

you know, I went to a bunch of ISO meetings, a 4th international offshoot, my soph. year at Cornell.  you couldn't imagine the time they spent worrying about gay marriage.  such nonsense.  the most notable characters were this dude "Alex", who squatted in some house a few miles outside of Ithaca, and holds the crown as the oldest person SWIM has ever smoked pot with (about 82)...  Jens, a German, grad student, pretty hardcore Leninist, would sip cheap vodka straight from the bottle on weeknights and lamented blink-182 for the hollowing out of the revolutionary character of punk rock.  he smoked Parliaments, too, a pack a day, though when he was out he'd bum anything, wouldn't discriminate.  there were a few blacks, and also this black guy came for one special event, forget what the event was, but he was a Stalinist, and made a point of trying to make everybody feel guilty for taking his time, as "normally, the ISO is 4th International nonsense, I haven't got the time for it", and accused my then-buddy, who is white and had shiny long hair, of being of privilege...
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2013, 07:17:24 PM »

Trots are the most tedious and obnoxious people on Earth.  Stalinists are just geriatric coots, but tend to be insular and hostile to outsiders rather than evangelizing like Trots, who are the preachiest and most evangelizing political sect this side of the Larouchites. 
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