15 People Wounded at Lone Star College near Houston

[bore]

As always, the price that has to be paid for freedom.

Are you being serious right now?

No, but if it were a shooting, the gun nuts would be explaining how guns have nothing to do with the high death number.

This is where I obligatorily have to step in and state, once more, that the gun is only one cog in the murder machine. The real problem lies in the fact that we, as a nation, condone violence like this in the first place, and no matter what we do to control guns, violent crime will continue to spiral out of control so long as we refuse to correct our society. It's what's happening to Britain, and it's what will happen to us.

?

From all I can tell, even though your gun crime is virtually nonexistent, your rate of violent crime as a whole is rising at a rate of knots.

Not really...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales

[Old Man Svensson]

Odd. I must have been using old figures.

[Franzl]

As always, the price that has to be paid for freedom.

Are you being serious right now?

No, but if it were a shooting, the gun nuts would be explaining how guns have nothing to do with the high death number.

This is where I obligatorily have to step in and state, once more, that the gun is only one cog in the murder machine. The real problem lies in the fact that we, as a nation, condone violence like this in the first place, and no matter what we do to control guns, violent crime will continue to spiral out of control so long as we refuse to correct our society. It's what's happening to Britain, and it's what will happen to us.

Why do you think there were no deaths in this incident?

As fortunate as it is that no one died, the fact remains that our society lets things like this happen. For however wide the gap is in their severity, this incident and the shooting at Sandy Hook were a product of the exact same problem.

Perhaps.

Still doesn't change the fact that large death tolls are far more likely on a shooting spree than a stabbing spree.

[Franzl]

As always, the price that has to be paid for freedom.

Are you being serious right now?

No, but if it were a shooting, the gun nuts would be explaining how guns have nothing to do with the high death number.

This is where I obligatorily have to step in and state, once more, that the gun is only one cog in the murder machine. The real problem lies in the fact that we, as a nation, condone violence like this in the first place, and no matter what we do to control guns, violent crime will continue to spiral out of control so long as we refuse to correct our society. It's what's happening to Britain, and it's what will happen to us.

Why do you think there were no deaths in this incident?

You can kill people with a knife. Now, let's say someone had a gun. There may be a chance those two people not end up in critical condition. You seem to think only the bad guys can carry guns. No one is going to go on random shootings or stabbings, if good people are armed.

lol

[7,052,770]

As always, the price that has to be paid for freedom.

Are you being serious right now?

No, but if it were a shooting, the gun nuts would be explaining how guns have nothing to do with the high death number.

This is where I obligatorily have to step in and state, once more, that the gun is only one cog in the murder machine. The real problem lies in the fact that we, as a nation, condone violence like this in the first place, and no matter what we do to control guns, violent crime will continue to spiral out of control so long as we refuse to correct our society. It's what's happening to Britain, and it's what will happen to us.

Why do you think there were no deaths in this incident?

You can kill people with a knife. Now, let's say someone had a gun. There may be a chance those two people not end up in critical condition. You seem to think only the bad guys can carry guns. No one is going to go on random shootings or stabbings, if good people are armed.

Sure they will.  Most criminals don't think rationally, at least the ones who go on sprees.

[Blue3]

So, some conservatives are arguing that it would have been better if there was a gun because then at least the victims would be dead.

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Please tell me no one else has made this argument yet? Please tell me no politicians are making this argument?

[Indy Texas]

As always, the price that has to be paid for freedom.

Are you being serious right now?

No, but if it were a shooting, the gun nuts would be explaining how guns have nothing to do with the high death number.

This is where I obligatorily have to step in and state, once more, that the gun is only one cog in the murder machine. The real problem lies in the fact that we, as a nation, condone violence like this in the first place, and no matter what we do to control guns, violent crime will continue to spiral out of control so long as we refuse to correct our society. It's what's happening to Britain, and it's what will happen to us.

Why do you think there were no deaths in this incident?

You can kill people with a knife. Now, let's say someone had a gun. There may be a chance those two people not end up in critical condition. You seem to think only the bad guys can carry guns. No one is going to go on random shootings or stabbings, if good people are armed.

Yes, because we all carry cards in our wallet indicating whether we are "good people" or "bad people." We all wear black hats or white hats like cowboys in Western movies. Odds are the guy who did this had no prior criminal record and would easily have been able to purchase a knife or gun or whatever. We're all "good people" until we do something bad. It only takes one murder to make someone a murderer.

[BluegrassBlueVote]

BAN KNIVES.

Remind me, how many people died in this?

Now imagine if he had a gun.

[Tender Branson]

Good (in a bad way for the victims).

If he had a gun or like the right-wing nuts prefer it - an assault weapon - the header would read "killed" instead of "wounded".

[krazen1211]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

[BluegrassBlueVote]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

I've always wondered, is the O.K. Corral shootout a right-wing wet dream?

[Blue3]

BAN KNIVES.

Remind me, how many people died in this?

Now imagine if he had a gun.

As I said above, many conservatives are arguing that it's better to be shot and killed than stabbed and alive.

[Хahar 🤔]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

[Tender Branson]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Probably not many times. Mostly because attackers have the moment of surprise on their side and already caused enough damage and killed themselves before some hero clinging to guns comes along and shoots the attacker dead.

[krazen1211]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=20161608&title=man-buys-knife-stabs-2-at-salt-lake-city-store&s_cid=featured-4

A man stabbed two people at the Smith's Marketplace grocery store in downtown Salt Lake City before being subdued by a bystander.

The attack took place around 5:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the store at 455 S. 500 East.

According to a witness, it appears one man was stabbed in the side of the head and another was stabbed in the stomach. The exact condition of the victims is unknown, but police believe the injuries are very serious and possibly critical.

Police say a bystander with a concealed carry permit witnessed the attack and stepped in to keep it from escalating.

"(The bystander) was suspicious of what might be going on, and when he saw the stabbing, he just drew his pistol and challenged the individual," which caused the alleged attacker to lie down on the ground, said Salt Lake City Police Lt. Brian Purvis.


http://www.rgj.com/article/20080526/NEWS18/80526010/Winnemucca-police-statement-bar-shootings

The subsequent investigation lead detectives to believe that Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his high capacity handgun and began shooting again.

It was at this point that the second shooter, the Reno resident, produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff's Office.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=20161608&title=man-buys-knife-stabs-2-at-salt-lake-city-store&s_cid=featured-4

A man stabbed two people at the Smith's Marketplace grocery store in downtown Salt Lake City before being subdued by a bystander.

The attack took place around 5:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the store at 455 S. 500 East.

According to a witness, it appears one man was stabbed in the side of the head and another was stabbed in the stomach. The exact condition of the victims is unknown, but police believe the injuries are very serious and possibly critical.

Police say a bystander with a concealed carry permit witnessed the attack and stepped in to keep it from escalating.

"(The bystander) was suspicious of what might be going on, and when he saw the stabbing, he just drew his pistol and challenged the individual," which caused the alleged attacker to lie down on the ground, said Salt Lake City Police Lt. Brian Purvis.


http://www.rgj.com/article/20080526/NEWS18/80526010/Winnemucca-police-statement-bar-shootings

The subsequent investigation lead detectives to believe that Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his high capacity handgun and began shooting again.

It was at this point that the second shooter, the Reno resident, produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff's Office.

Nobody died in the stabbing and three people died in the shooting. Go home Krazen, you're drunk

[krazen1211]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=20161608&title=man-buys-knife-stabs-2-at-salt-lake-city-store&s_cid=featured-4

A man stabbed two people at the Smith's Marketplace grocery store in downtown Salt Lake City before being subdued by a bystander.

The attack took place around 5:30 p.m. in the parking lot of the store at 455 S. 500 East.

According to a witness, it appears one man was stabbed in the side of the head and another was stabbed in the stomach. The exact condition of the victims is unknown, but police believe the injuries are very serious and possibly critical.

Police say a bystander with a concealed carry permit witnessed the attack and stepped in to keep it from escalating.

"(The bystander) was suspicious of what might be going on, and when he saw the stabbing, he just drew his pistol and challenged the individual," which caused the alleged attacker to lie down on the ground, said Salt Lake City Police Lt. Brian Purvis.


http://www.rgj.com/article/20080526/NEWS18/80526010/Winnemucca-police-statement-bar-shootings

The subsequent investigation lead detectives to believe that Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his high capacity handgun and began shooting again.

It was at this point that the second shooter, the Reno resident, produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff's Office.

Nobody died in the stabbing and three people died in the shooting. Go home Krazen, you're drunk

Yes, that's the point in good people carrying a gun. Thanks for backing it up.

[Vosem]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Krazen's listed two incidents, but there are websites and books devoted to just lists of these. Yes it does happen, and quite frequently.

[Fuzzybigfoot]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

If they are indeed good people, they won't mind going through a little background check, will they? 

[Link]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Probably not many times. Mostly because attackers have the moment of surprise on their side and already caused enough damage and killed themselves before some hero clinging to guns comes along and shoots the attacker dead.

True.  If private citizens with guns were stopping massacres every day Rush, and Fox News would be talking about it non stop.  They're not.  So what does that tell you?

[badgate]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Krazen's listed two incidents, but there are websites and books devoted to just lists of these. Yes it does happen, and quite frequently.

And quite frequently, the vigilante "good fellow" injures innocent parties in their attempt to stop the attack with a firearm. Even in the case of trained professionals this happens: http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state Just think how much worse it would have been if a "good fellow" with a gun tried to stop the shooter instead of the police officers

[krazen1211]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

If they are indeed good people, they won't mind going through a little background check, will they? 

They do.

[krazen1211]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Krazen's listed two incidents, but there are websites and books devoted to just lists of these. Yes it does happen, and quite frequently.

And quite frequently, the vigilante "good fellow" injures innocent parties in their attempt to stop the attack with a firearm. Even in the case of trained professionals this happens: http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/24/justice/new-york-empire-state Just think how much worse it would have been if a "good fellow" with a gun tried to stop the shooter instead of the police officers

No need to imagine. The facts in Reno and Salt Lake City show that the answer is 'not at all'.

[krazen1211]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Probably not many times. Mostly because attackers have the moment of surprise on their side and already caused enough damage and killed themselves before some hero clinging to guns comes along and shoots the attacker dead.

True.  If private citizens with guns were stopping massacres every day Rush, and Fox News would be talking about it non stop.  They're not.  So what does that tell you?

That because of good folks, there is no massacre, and no news. Thus, simpletons never hear of it.

[BluegrassBlueVote]

A good fellow with a gun would have promptly placed bullets into the stabber and prevented some of the damage.

Has this ever actually happened?

Probably not many times. Mostly because attackers have the moment of surprise on their side and already caused enough damage and killed themselves before some hero clinging to guns comes along and shoots the attacker dead.

True.  If private citizens with guns were stopping massacres every day Rush, and Fox News would be talking about it non stop.  They're not.  So what does that tell you?

That because of good folks, there is no massacre, and no news. Thus, simpletons never hear of it.

Fox would be talking about that every chance they got.