SENATE BILL: Napoleon Tax Cut Bill (Vetoed)
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« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2013, 06:24:40 AM »
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« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2013, 10:52:26 PM »

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« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2013, 02:08:45 PM »

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« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2013, 06:28:35 PM »

Damn it I hate it when we lose days because one vote is lacking. This ends tomorrow.
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« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2013, 06:01:36 PM »

Vote on Final Passage of the Napoleon Tax Cut Bill:

Aye (5): Αverroës Nix, Matt from VT, Napoleon, NC Yankee and sbane
Nay (2): Ben and jdb
Abstain (2): HagridoftheDeep and Snowstalker

Didn't Vote (1): Clarence

With five votes in the affirmative, two in the negative and time having expired, the bill is passed and presented to the President for executive action.
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« Reply #80 on: April 28, 2013, 06:02:59 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2013, 05:07:44 PM »

I am not a fan of this bill. First, I feel just inherently opposed to cutting taxes when we have a massive debt to pay and no rainy day fund set up to siphon some of our surplus into, and I tend to think this cut is shortsighted. I get that it's a very attractive notion to vote for a tax cut, but there have to be times where we do what is best for our finances.

This bill is exceptionally disappointing in how it's written, as well. The entire text is nothing but a list of percentages without any context; you'd only know we're referring to taxes because of the title of the proposal, but beyond that, this is not the best lawmaking I've ever seen. I would be willing to rewrite the bill, even if for the sake of argument I supported it's goals; but I don't, and I want a much broader tax reform bill that includes the establishment of a rainy day fund in the future. We are at the end of a Senate session, and I am not willing to bleed this bill into another Senate session to attempt a rewrite that we have never debated. I support a limited line item veto for minor omissions, such as the fusion voting bill, but any redraft would be a complete rewrite, and I am loathe to use that power.

A forty billion surplus is too small. Hell, I think a sixty billion surplus is too small, but it's at least what we have. Even if I agreed for the sake of argument that tax cuts like this for the best means of stimulus (and they are not) I couldn't support this. There are better things to spend our small reserves of money on than this. In the future, I would be more than willing to sign a better written, more responsible tax reform bill that preserves funds for a rainy day. But this bill is most definitely not that.

In accordance with my power in Article 1, I hereby veto this bill.

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« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2013, 05:16:02 PM »

Excellent decision, Mr. President Smiley
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« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2013, 05:49:14 PM »

I will support the president's decision.
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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2013, 06:28:51 PM »

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« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2013, 07:13:27 PM »

Thank you, gentlemen.
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« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2013, 08:30:31 PM »

Resume debate.

I will not be supporting any sort of so-called rainy day fund that sucks capital out of the economy and actually creates the rainy day by doing so.
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« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2013, 08:42:19 PM »

Resume debate.

I will not be supporting any sort of so-called rainy day fund that sucks capital out of the economy and actually creates the rainy day by doing so.

This is not a redraft, this is a straight-veto. Your options are either to request a veto override, or accept the veto.
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« Reply #88 on: April 30, 2013, 06:02:04 PM »

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« Reply #89 on: April 30, 2013, 09:37:17 PM »

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« Reply #90 on: May 01, 2013, 05:21:00 PM »

I will say right now that I plan on abstaining. I see both sides of this issue, and I don't think either result, an override or not, will significantly hurt us or significantly help us.
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« Reply #91 on: May 05, 2013, 06:58:22 AM »


Waiting on Duke opening a voteon veto override, I think.
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« Reply #92 on: May 05, 2013, 03:37:23 PM »

You'll get your veto override vote, Nappy. Since it was within 72 hours, you don't have to worry about that. I will throw it onto the enourmous pile of IMs I have already sent to Duke today.
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« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2013, 10:48:22 AM »

Veto override time.

Vote aye, nay or abstain to override the President's veto.
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« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2013, 11:23:01 AM »

Nay to override
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« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2013, 01:39:56 PM »

Nay to override
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« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2013, 02:01:11 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »

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« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2013, 03:08:44 PM »

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« Reply #99 on: May 08, 2013, 04:05:15 PM »

This vote is currently failing. 24 hours to change your vote.
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