The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread

[The Lord Marbury]

Some other polls...

Party preference poll (DN/Ipsos)

Left: 6,6% (-0,4)
Social Democrats: 33,1% (+1,0)
Greens: 10,5% (-0,2)

Centre: 4,1% (+0,9)
Liberals: 6,4% (+0,6)
Moderates: 26,5% (-2,4)
Christian Democrats: 4,3% (+0,1)

Sweden Democrats: 7,3% (+0,3)

Red-Greens: 50,2%
The Alliance: 41,4%

Which party do you think will lead the government after the 2014 election? (DN/Ipsos)

Red-Green voters
Social Democrats - 78%
Moderates - 14%
Unsure/Don't know - 5%
Other party - 4%

Alliance voters
Moderates - 58%
Social Democrats - 32%
Unsure/Don't know - 6%
Other party - 3%

Which party would you like to see participate in the next government? (Novus) (top 3)

2012
1. Moderates
2. Social Democrats
3. Liberals

2013
1. Social Democrats
2. Greens
3. Moderates.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Are you in Visby Marbury, or are you just following it from home like me?
I saw Gustaf posting on FB that he's there at least. 

[The Lord Marbury]

Are you in Visby Marbury, or are you just following it from home like me?
I saw Gustaf posting on FB that he's there at least. 

Sadly not, I was planning on going there with a few friends from SSU but unfortunately work got in the way. So I guess I'm stuck at home just like you, feeling a bit of slight envy while reading friend's facebook statuses from down there.

[The Lord Marbury]

Numbers, numbers, numbers and more numbers!

Which direction do you think Sweden is moving in? (Aftonbladet/United Minds)
The wrong direction - 48,9% (+4,7)
The right direction - 28,6% (-2,5)
Neither right nor wrong - 22,6% (-2,1)

Which government would be the best for.... (Aftonbladet/United Minds)

A good economic development?
A Moderate led government – 45,2% (-3,5)
A Social Democrat led government – 31,9% (+1,3)
Other/don't know – 22,8% (+2,1)

Creating jobs and fighting unemployment?
A Social Democrat led government – 44,0% (+1,1)
A Moderate led government – 29,9% (-4,5)
Other/don't know – 26,2% (+3,5)

Good quality in welfare?
A Social Democrat led government – 47,6% (+2,0)
A Moderate led government – 21,6% (-3,0)
Other/don't know – 30,5% (+1,0)

A good education system?
A Social Democrat led government – 40,6% (+1,9)
A Moderate led government – 31,0% (-1,8)
Other/don't know – 28,4% (-0,2)

The environment?
A Social Democrat led government – 32,4% (+3,8)
A Moderate led government – 18,6% (-2,1)
Other/don't know – 49,0% (-1,7)*

*Of course it doesn't say so in black and white, but the high number of people who picked "other" in environmental issues means that the Greens are of course still the most trusted in this area.

[Zanas]

You know what grinds my gears ? That conservative right-wing governments or parties are still consistently quoted as the best to create good economic development in these topic-related polls, around the world.

I mean, come on, have they not shownenough  that they are horrible this way, and their economic policies and ideologies are deeply flawed at best ?

[freefair]

...But not the Moderate Party- they known to be very competent. GSince they took office, all indicators have remained relatively stable and good.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

The left sweeps the ground with the right on all issues but one, including the two that actually matters (education and job creation), and the thing MA takes from it is that its unfair that voters don't think the left is best at everything. Are left-wingers never happy?

[MaxQue]

The left sweeps the ground with the right on all issues but one, including the two that actually matters (education and job creation), and the thing MA takes from it is that its unfair that voters don't think the left is best at everything. Are left-wingers never happy?

No, they are realistic and see than the only things the right is doing better than the left is getting the wealthy even more wealthy and enabling religion to have a place in public life.

[freefair]

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No, they are realistic and see than the only things the right is doing better than the left is getting the wealthy even more wealthy and enabling religion to have a place in public life.
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... TIf thais is what you're employing, the Moderates are nothing like the GOP!!

[Zanas]

The left sweeps the ground with the right on all issues but one, including the two that actually matters (education and job creation), and the thing MA takes from it is that its unfair that voters don't think the left is best at everything. Are left-wingers never happy?

I was making a general statement. Not based on this particular study but numerous ones in numerous circumstances.

Plus, no, while capitalism still make the rich richer and we are powerless about that, left-wingers are pretty much in constant depression.

[DC Al Fine]

The left sweeps the ground with the right on all issues but one, including the two that actually matters (education and job creation), and the thing MA takes from it is that its unfair that voters don't think the left is best at everything. Are left-wingers never happy?

No, they are realistic and see than the only things the right is doing better than the left is getting the wealthy even more wealthy and enabling religion to have a place in public life.

No, they are realistic and see the only things the left does better than the right is endorse drug use and destroy the family. ..

See, I can be a partisan hack too

[The Lord Marbury]

You know what grinds my gears ? That conservative right-wing governments or parties are still consistently quoted as the best to create good economic development in these topic-related polls, around the world.

I mean, come on, have they not shownenough  that they are horrible this way, and their economic policies and ideologies are deeply flawed at best ?

Eh, this a relatively new thing over here actually. In the past it has generally been the Social Democrats which has had the most confidence in economic policies and the only thing the right really has which gives them an advantage is Anders Borg and him not really doing... anything. You know, other than just standing there and sounding confident and competent while blaming every single economical problem on the rest of Europe. Besides, when they entered office Göran Persson left them a giant budget surplus which came in handy during the crisis, so they have also had a bit of an easier going than other countries during the crisis.

[Leftbehind]

Plus, no, while capitalism still make the rich richer and we are powerless about that, left-wingers are pretty much in constant depression.

And the left keep governing like liberals, and left voters keep voting for said liberals.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Man we're really spammed by polls this week. Two more on specific issues, with one decissive victory for the left and one decissive victory for the right.

Parental-leave: (by SIFO)
(This one might need a bit of explaining if you're from a country that only has maternity leave*)

75% - Parents should be free to decide by themselves how to divide their leave between them.
20% - It should be equally divided 50/50 between the parents.
5% - Not sure/No oppinion

Lower taxes vs more money to welfere: (by SIFO)

82% - More money to the welfere system is more important
14% - Lower taxes is more important
4% - Not sure/No oppinion



*Today Swedish parents have the right to 480 days of parental-leave for a child. Both the mother and the father needs to take some of the time, meaning one parent can't hog all 480 days for themselves, but parents are mostly free to divide the days between them as they wish. The centre-left parties wants to change this so that parents always must have 240 days each.



 

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lower taxes vs more money to welfere: (by SIFO)

82% - More money to the welfere system is more important
14% - Lower taxes is more important
4% - Not sure/No oppinion

Smartest people in the world.

[The Lord Marbury]

Man we're really spammed by polls this week. Two more on specific issues, with one decissive victory for the left and one decissive victory for the right.

Parental-leave: (by SIFO)
(This one might need a bit of explaining if you're from a country that only has maternity leave*)

75% - Parents should be free to decide by themselves how to divide their leave between them.
20% - It should be equally divided 50/50 between the parents.
5% - Not sure/No oppinion

Lower taxes vs more money to welfere: (by SIFO)

82% - More money to the welfere system is more important
14% - Lower taxes is more important
4% - Not sure/No oppinion



*Today Swedish parents have the right to 480 days of parental-leave for a child. Both the mother and the father needs to take some of the time, meaning one parent can't hog all 480 days for themselves, but parents are mostly free to divide the days between them as they wish. The centre-left parties wants to change this so that parents always must have 240 days each.

Yep, it almost feels as if half of all major political events of a non-election year happens during this little week. Though that's probably just because outside of Almedalen swedish politics is generally a slow affair.

Another party poll...

Party preference poll (Expressen/Demoskop)

Left - 7,8% (+1,4)
Social Democrats - 33,7% (+0,2)
Greens - 8,9% (-2,0)

Centre - 3,2% (-0,2)
Liberal - 5,6% (-0,1)
Moderate - 25,3% (-1,3)
Christian Democrats - 3,2% (-0,2)

Sweden Democrats - 11,8% (+2,0)

Red-Greens - 50,4% (-0,4)
The Alliance - 37,1% (-1,7)

Something strange is going on here, no way those numbers are accurate for the Sweden Democrats when they're much lower in all the other polls.

[Franknburger]

Another party poll...

Party preference poll (Expressen/Demoskop)

Left - 7,8% (+1,4)
Social Democrats - 33,7% (+0,2)
Greens - 8,9% (-2,0)

Centre - 3,2% (-0,2)
Liberal - 5,6% (-0,1)
Moderate - 25,3% (-1,3)
Christian Democrats - 3,2% (-0,2)

Sweden Democrats - 11,8% (+2,0)

Red-Greens - 50,4% (-0,4)
The Alliance - 37,1% (-1,7)

Something strange is going on here, no way those numbers are accurate for the Sweden Democrats when they're much lower in all the other polls.

Apparently, the poll is not only quite high number for SD, but also quite low number for the Greens. Has the school holiday season already started ? Otherwise, they may have underpolled Stockholm, which appears to be a Green stronghold and shows little SD support.

Btw.: Just found this thread (I had not expected it in this sub-forum, rather in "International Elections"). Good stuff, very interesting.

Another note, going back to a discussion a few weeks ago: I have the impression that there is quite some sync between Swedish and German electoral swings. [Not necessarily because Sweden is watching closely what Germany is doing, may also be the other way round. We here in Germany tend to from time to time borrow some of your ideas, parental leave was the last one...]

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Something strange is going on here

Something strange is certainly going on in this poll. Looks like an out-liner to me.

Yep, it almost feels as if half of all major political events of a non-election year happens during this little week. Though that's probably just because outside of Almedalen swedish politics is generally a slow affair.

It really wasn't this boring before the 2010 election though. Between 02-06 there was the Euro referendum, the Anna Lind tragedy, the Gudrun Schyman tax scandal, the creation and rise of the Alliance, the Tsunami and the political consequences of that. And after 06 we had the reforms in the social security system, the abolishion of the draft (in peace-time), same-sex marriage, the economic crisis, the whole bloody mess that was SAAB, and much more.

While for these three years the only political news of note has been 1) Everyone hates the Sweden Democrats, 2) Everyone hates Håkan Juholt, and 3) Everyone hates Annie Lööf.
No political reforms or new ideas what so ever, and no real political scandal besides Juholt and Lööf not being able to fill their roles as leaders.       

Has the school holiday season already started ? Otherwise, they may have underpolled Stockholm, which appears to be a Green stronghold and shows little SD support.

Btw.: Just found this thread (I had not expected it in this sub-forum, rather in "International Elections"). Good stuff, very interesting.

Yes it has, and vaccations should be in full swing now as well, so it might just be an ordinary bad summer poll. We'll see.

And welcome to the thread.

And yes, I have also noticed how much Swedish and German politics are similar. Both in policy and in political trends. The Swedish Greens especially, always seem to be a few years behind yours, while your Pirates are a few years behind ours.

[The Lord Marbury]

On the Social Democrats day in Almedalen, here's a new poll by Aftonbladet/United Minds.

All voters - which party should the Social Democrats form government with?
Left and Greens - 19%
Greens - 15%
Left - 11%
Greens, Centre and Liberals - 7%
Liberals - 5%
Left, Greens and Liberals - 3%
Centre - 2%
No other party (they should govern alone) - 10%
None of these parties - 12%
Don't know - 17%

[Gustaf]

I just returned from Almedalen. Had lots of fun and listened to about half the speeches.

[The Lord Marbury]

Summa summarum of Almedalen in this leftwingers opinion:

The red-green opposition parties presented fresh ideas and criticized the government's inaction on unemployment and education, while the government criticized the opposition, claimed there exists no opposition, attacked their own policies and presented opposition ideas as their own.



I shall await the inevitable disagreements.

[Tayya]

On the Social Democrats day in Almedalen, here's a new poll by Aftonbladet/United Minds.

All voters - which party should the Social Democrats form government with?
Left and Greens - 19%
Greens - 15%
Left - 11%
Greens, Centre and Liberals - 7%
Liberals - 5%
Left, Greens and Liberals - 3%
Centre - 2%
No other party (they should govern alone) - 10%
None of these parties - 12%
Don't know - 17%

When the actual hyped coalition possibility is with the Greens and Liberals only, and they aren't included, I can't take this poll seriously.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

The red-green opposition parties presented fresh the same old ideas of the Persson regime and criticized the government's inaction made unrealistic promises on unemployment and education (though none of the three actually can agree on education), while the government criticized the opposition, claimed there exists no opposition, attacked their own policies and presented opposition ideas as their own. (A tactic Social Democratic goverments showed for 80 years was a very effective way to win elections)

I fixed it for you.


You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that an S+Mp+Fp coalition would be the best possible option after the next elections.

1) The Alliance government is tired and out of ideas and Kd and C desperatley need to be in opposition for a bit to get back in the game.

2) It would give us a pragmatic centrist government with solid economic values, and no influence from the commies.

3) It would be a flexible government that could make agreements with V when they wanted to, and the right when they wanted to.

4) It would drive some of the left-wingers on here mad, with the S and Mp "selling out to neoliberalism" And that is always fun.

Naturally it would only happen if the Red-Greens get less than 50% of seats.

 

[Leftbehind]

4) It would drive some of the left-wingers on here mad, with the S and Mp "selling out to neoliberalism" And that is always fun.

Not as fun as it would be for us watching them get destroyed at the elections (because funnily enough it is not just forum leftists opposed to neoliberalism).

[Franknburger]

You know, the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to believe that an S+Mp+Fp coalition would be the best possible option after the next elections.

1) The Alliance government is tired and out of ideas and Kd and C desperatley need to be in opposition for a bit to get back in the game.

2) It would give us a pragmatic centrist government with solid economic values, and no influence from the commies.

3) It would be a flexible government that could make agreements with V when they wanted to, and the right when they wanted to.

4) It would drive some of the left-wingers on here mad, with the S and Mp "selling out to neoliberalism" And that is always fun.

Naturally it would only happen if the Red-Greens get less than 50% of seats.
 

Would such a traffic-light coalition work in Sweden? It was tried a few times on State level in Germany, and always  failed miserably (typically the FDP walked out on a minor issue after 2-3 years). In general, coalitions involving both the Greens and the FDP were a disaster here (the black-green-yellow "Jamaica" coalition on the Saar was in 2012 killed by the FDP, while CDU and Greens got along reasonably well with each other).

4) It would drive some of the left-wingers on here mad, with the S and Mp "selling out to neoliberalism" And that is always fun.

Not as fun as it would be for us watching them get destroyed at the elections (because funnily enough it is not just forum leftists opposed to neoliberalism).

According to German experience, the only ones getting destroyed are the liberals. The Greens remain stable and return to opposition, while the next government is a grand coalition. Whoever leads that grand coalition will gain, ultimately enough to form a coalition with its preferred partner (i.e. either red-green of black-yellow).