Irish Demographic Maps

[ObserverIE]

More age of housing...

Crumlin/Drimnagh (large Dublin suburban local authority estates built in the 1930s) stands out there. Cabra in Dublin Central was built at the same time but there would be more of a variety of housing stock timewise in Dublin Central.

[minionofmidas]

Non-manual Hairdressers. What do they hold the scissors with, their feet?

You've seen the standard Irish male haircut then?

Yes. I spent a few weeks in Dublin as a teenager.

[Oakvale]

I like how most of the articles I can find seem to think "suicide" is such a dirty word that the fact cannot be put to paper. Pretty crass, though, and they seem to be at a bit of a loss as to why.

The cause of death wasn't specified for the first couple of days - "sudden death" was used as a euphemism, although it was vague enough that when I first heard the news I assumed it was a heart attack - but the media were more forthcoming once the funeral had taken place. I think the general idea in these cases would be to not put more pressure on the immediate family.

There tend to be a lot of euphemisms used for death here in any case - "peacefully" or "after a long illness" for cancer, for example - so it's wider than some notion of suicide being a sin. It's part of a more general tendency for indirect or non-confrontational speech in this country.

The most annoying recent euphemism, and one borrowed from the US, is the term "passed" and "passing" for "died" or "death".

Update:General discussion of Irish media's attitude towards suicide in one of today's papers.

This reminds me of the weird RTE-ism "the death has taken place of..." I can only assume it's some kind of common Hiberno-English turn of phrase that I've never heard anyone use in person.

[Franknburger]

Non-manual Hairdressers. What do they hold the scissors with, their feet?

I would assume so.

It's just a "not really 'White-collar' (or low level White Collar) but not really 'labourer' type jobs" category.

You mean, low level White collar as in

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 I suppose non-manual athletes includes football players, but excludes rugby or tennis. Correct?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Final Socio-economic reference maps..



I have no idea why I put so many brackets in for this one...



And now, the detritrus



As with the other 'others' map, I'm not totally sure what it signifies.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Back to the sector maps.... Now let's play a game of spot the International Airport. No prizes for winning.



And now for the bureaucrats...

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Non-manual Hairdressers. What do they hold the scissors with, their feet?

I would assume so.

It's just a "not really 'White-collar' (or low level White Collar) but not really 'labourer' type jobs" category.

You mean, low level White collar as in

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 I suppose non-manual athletes includes football players, but excludes rugby or tennis. Correct?

A detailed breakdown of the categories was offered in the earlier link.

[ObserverIE]

I suppose non-manual athletes includes football players, but excludes rugby or tennis. Correct?

A detailed breakdown of the categories was offered in the earlier link.

I think Japhy's humour chip needs reinstalling...

Football here is often (usually) referred to as "soccer". "Footballers" here:



are definitely manual, but don't get paid for the job so don't count for the census

[minionofmidas]

They don't get paid? I don't believe you.

They get paid less but that taxfree, is probably more like it.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

I suppose non-manual athletes includes football players, but excludes rugby or tennis. Correct?

A detailed breakdown of the categories was offered in the earlier link.

I think Japhy's humour chip needs reinstalling...

No, it's me not reading properly. At least, I hope that is what it is. I'm too young and melancholic to go without humour....

Also when growing up I always referred to the 'foreign game' as football as did my friends and we hardly thought about GAA at all but then again, I didn't have a typical Irish upbringing...

They don't get paid? I don't believe you.

They get paid less but that taxfree, is probably more like it.

There are ways to get money from Sponsorship, television deals, etc for some of the most renowned athletes (which is contributing the slow sapping away of amateurism) but for now, they aren't paid. Even under the table payment can raise a scandal.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

In various descriptions of the sectors, I have seen this described merely as "Health and Education" but in the actual charts it is described as "Professional Services" so whatever, but 'Health and Education' seem as good a guide as any..



And again the left behind...

[ObserverIE]

I suppose non-manual athletes includes football players, but excludes rugby or tennis. Correct?

A detailed breakdown of the categories was offered in the earlier link.

I think Japhy's humour chip needs reinstalling...

No, it's me not reading properly. At least, I hope that is what it is. I'm too young and melancholic to go without humour....

To be fair, it took a second reading for me to get the joke, but, yes, Germans can do dry humour

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There are ways to get money from Sponsorship, television deals, etc for some of the most renowned athletes (which is contributing the slow sapping away of amateurism) but for now, they aren't paid. Even under the table payment can raise a scandal.
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At inter-county level, they get travelling expenses for going to training (often 3-4 times a week) and matches and get looked after for medical and physiotherapy expenses, get meals, playing gear, etc. paid for. At the more local club level (all inter-county players will also play at club level) they may get travelling expenses if they're making a long journey, there's insurance for medical expenses, and there's often tea and sandwiches after training or a match.

Generally, being an inter-county player tends (or has tended) to be good for your job prospects. You're a local celebrity so you're attractive for publicity-type jobs such as travelling salesperson for a company (often a company that also sponsors the local county team), or as a primary or secondary school teacher. Counties may often employ players as coaches or as schools development workers, though this won't form a long-term career. (There can also be the WAG factor, but that can be more of a financial outlay than a benefit )

The problem is that the country isn't big enough or support big enough for a professional game to thrive. (The regular financial collapse/revival cycle of Irish soccer league clubs bear witness to this.) It doesn't have an audience outside Ireland except for emigrant communities in the US, UK and Australia.

There's also the club-county relationship; an inter-county team is a representative team drawn from local clubs within that county and inter-county players are expected to play with their clubs when the inter-county team isn't playing - indeed for most people the primary loyalty will be to the local club and secondly to the county. That relationship wouldn't survive professionalism.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Education Education Education... Starting at the highest and lowest levels. These maps represent the highest education level attained by constituency (so the Postgrad map excludes PhDs, etc) of the population over the age of 15.





And a bit of a jump here





Technically, I do have data for people who have had no formal education at all (or left Primary school before the age of 12) but in no constituency do they constitute more than 1% although Donegal South West was close. I'll make a map if anyone asks. The Upper Secondary and Degree maps will come later too.

[minionofmidas]

Could you do a map of primary school dropouts?

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Could you do a map of primary school dropouts?

I knew it was you that was going to ask that .

[joevsimp]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

[Tetro Kornbluth]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

Kildare North which is mostly young and exurban (as some housing maps I have but haven't put yet shall demonstrate). It also contains a university, one which this very poster went to for his undergraduate.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

And here you are...

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Degrees - Tell me if you are bored of this pattern:


The next levels below I'm not too sure how to sort. They are:
Non-Degree (I assume diplomas and other third-level qualifications which are below degrees)
Upper Secondary with Technical and Vocational
Technical and Vocational
Upper Secondary

[Tetro Kornbluth]

New Patterns - subject distribution of 3rd level education again. Remember this is as a percentage of degree and diploma holders only:

[ObserverIE]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

Kildare North which is mostly young and exurban (as some housing maps I have but haven't put yet shall demonstrate). It also contains a university, one which this very poster went to for his undergraduate.

Kildare Sprawl North also contains major facilities belonging to Intel and Hewlett-Packard. Cork South Central is Big Pharma country (Pfizer, Eli Lilly).

[Tetro Kornbluth]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

Kildare North which is mostly young and exurban (as some housing maps I have but haven't put yet shall demonstrate). It also contains a university, one which this very poster went to for his undergraduate.

Kildare Sprawl North also contains major facilities belonging to Intel and Hewlett-Packard. Cork South Central is Big Pharma country (Pfizer, Eli Lilly).

To be fair, towns like Maynooth and Kilcock can't really be considered Sprawl. Naas on the other hand... A terrible, terrible place.

[ObserverIE]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

Kildare North which is mostly young and exurban (as some housing maps I have but haven't put yet shall demonstrate). It also contains a university, one which this very poster went to for his undergraduate.

Kildare Sprawl North also contains major facilities belonging to Intel and Hewlett-Packard. Cork South Central is Big Pharma country (Pfizer, Eli Lilly).

To be fair, towns like Maynooth and Kilcock can't really be considered Sprawl. Naas on the other hand... A terrible, terrible place.

Trying to get across eastern Kildare from the M4 to the M7 so as to avoid going into Dublin is interesting.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

Kildare North which is mostly young and exurban (as some housing maps I have but haven't put yet shall demonstrate). It also contains a university, one which this very poster went to for his undergraduate.

Kildare Sprawl North also contains major facilities belonging to Intel and Hewlett-Packard. Cork South Central is Big Pharma country (Pfizer, Eli Lilly).

To be fair, towns like Maynooth and Kilcock can't really be considered Sprawl. Naas on the other hand... A terrible, terrible place.

Trying to get across eastern Kildare from the M4 to the M7 so as to avoid going into Dublin is interesting.

Although not in Kildare North, but Kildare South, Newbridge is equally awful.

[ObserverIE]

what's the well educated area to the west of Co. Dublin? kildare east? no doesn't sound right

Kildare North which is mostly young and exurban (as some housing maps I have but haven't put yet shall demonstrate). It also contains a university, one which this very poster went to for his undergraduate.

Kildare Sprawl North also contains major facilities belonging to Intel and Hewlett-Packard. Cork South Central is Big Pharma country (Pfizer, Eli Lilly).

To be fair, towns like Maynooth and Kilcock can't really be considered Sprawl. Naas on the other hand... A terrible, terrible place.

Trying to get across eastern Kildare from the M4 to the M7 so as to avoid going into Dublin is interesting.

Although not in Kildare North, but Kildare South, Newbridge is equally awful.

Tell me about it.

The quaint Kildare tradition of refusing to erect signposts does not help.