Pataki approval down to 34%, trails Spitzer by 24

[Smash255]

I know we have a few threads on Pataki's minute chance of re-election, but felt his new approval ratings required a thread of its own.

Pataki's approval is down to 34%(Lowest Ever) and trails Spitzer 54-30 in the latest poll released by Quinnipiac

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/state/ny-stpata0211,0,4963479.story?coll=ny-statenews-headlines

[A18]

WOW!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!

A Democrat might actually win an election in the most Democratic state in the union! I am stunned!

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Wow, maybe Spitzer will coattail a Democratic state Senate in.

[The Duke]

George Pataki is the epitome of failure.

[A18]

George Pataki is the epitome of failure.

Why?

[phk]

He's not a failure considering he took out Mario Cuomo.

[The Duke]

Winning elections is all well and good, but he's been Governor for a decade and he has no discernible impact on the state in a positive direction.

[phk]

Winning elections is all well and good, but he's been Governor for a decade and he has no discernible impact on the state in a positive direction.

Well, being elected in New York is a good achievement in the first place for him.

But I gues you're right, he hasn't really done that much fo the state.

[KEmperor]

Winning elections is all well and good, but he's been Governor for a decade and he has no discernible impact on the state in a positive direction.

I would disagree.

[Hitchabrut]

He doesn't deserve any help from the GOP, he's screwed up the state organization beyond help.

[dazzleman]

Pataki was good in his first several years as governor.

He lowered taxes and pushed through welfare reform and tougher sentencing for criminals.  These accomplishments alone, done against fierce pea-brained NYC Democratic opposition, had a huge positive impact on the business environment and quality of life in New York.

Since then, he has backslide significantly, though the state has not fallen back to the dreadful state it was in under Cuomo.

Pataki has simply run out of steam, and he ran scared as he saw the state vote increasingly Democratic in national elections.

The Democrats will take over New York State once again, and run it into the ground as they did before.  New York State voters outside the city need to realize once again that they need to unite against the nitwits who vote in New York City and have repeatedly inflicted atrocities on the rest of the state.  Until that happens, the state is a lost cause.

[Smash255]

Pataki was good in his first several years as governor.

He lowered taxes and pushed through welfare reform and tougher sentencing for criminals.  These accomplishments alone, done against fierce pea-brained NYC Democratic opposition, had a huge positive impact on the business environment and quality of life in New York.

Since then, he has backslide significantly, though the state has not fallen back to the dreadful state it was in under Cuomo.

Pataki has simply run out of steam, and he ran scared as he saw the state vote increasingly Democratic in national elections.

The Democrats will take over New York State once again, and run it into the ground as they did before.  New York State voters outside the city need to realize once again that they need to unite against the nitwits who vote in New York City and have repeatedly inflicted atrocities on the rest of the state.  Until that happens, the state is a lost cause.

The Republicans have only themselves to blame for their dissaperance in NY.  On the local level they have done an absolute horrid job.  Long Island once was a Republican stronhold but now has gone completley in the other direction in part to the Republicans under Tom Gullota turning the county broke and the Republicans controlling Suffolk making that place a mess as well before the Dems came to fix it up.  Tom Suozzi has done an amazing job.  One of the few GOP strongspots on LI (Brookhaven) looks like its going by the wayside with various corruption scandals.  The mess the Republicans put themsleves in on a local level has hurt them on the state level.  They only have themsleves to blame

[dazzleman]

Pataki was good in his first several years as governor.

He lowered taxes and pushed through welfare reform and tougher sentencing for criminals.  These accomplishments alone, done against fierce pea-brained NYC Democratic opposition, had a huge positive impact on the business environment and quality of life in New York.

Since then, he has backslide significantly, though the state has not fallen back to the dreadful state it was in under Cuomo.

Pataki has simply run out of steam, and he ran scared as he saw the state vote increasingly Democratic in national elections.

The Democrats will take over New York State once again, and run it into the ground as they did before.  New York State voters outside the city need to realize once again that they need to unite against the nitwits who vote in New York City and have repeatedly inflicted atrocities on the rest of the state.  Until that happens, the state is a lost cause.

The Republicans have only themselves to blame for their dissaperance in NY.  On the local level they have done an absolute horrid job.  Long Island once was a Republican stronhold but now has gone completley in the other direction in part to the Republicans under Tom Gullota turning the county broke and the Republicans controlling Suffolk making that place a mess as well before the Dems came to fix it up.  Tom Suozzi has done an amazing job.  One of the few GOP strongspots on LI (Brookhaven) looks like its going by the wayside with various corruption scandals.  The mess the Republicans put themsleves in on a local level has hurt them on the state level.  They only have themsleves to blame

You are 100% correct.  I blame Pataki as leader of the party for not recognizing these bad trends, and addressing them before it's too late.  There's simply little reason to vote Republican in NY today - they stand for nothing.  As bad as the Democrats are, you can't beat something with nothing.  And Suozzi has done a great job, even in challenging the sclerotic leadership of his own party, on the issue of state mandates and how they effect local taxes.  Of course, Pataki has done nothing about this issue either.

[Smash255]

Pataki was good in his first several years as governor.

He lowered taxes and pushed through welfare reform and tougher sentencing for criminals.  These accomplishments alone, done against fierce pea-brained NYC Democratic opposition, had a huge positive impact on the business environment and quality of life in New York.

Since then, he has backslide significantly, though the state has not fallen back to the dreadful state it was in under Cuomo.

Pataki has simply run out of steam, and he ran scared as he saw the state vote increasingly Democratic in national elections.

The Democrats will take over New York State once again, and run it into the ground as they did before.  New York State voters outside the city need to realize once again that they need to unite against the nitwits who vote in New York City and have repeatedly inflicted atrocities on the rest of the state.  Until that happens, the state is a lost cause.

The Republicans have only themselves to blame for their dissaperance in NY.  On the local level they have done an absolute horrid job.  Long Island once was a Republican stronhold but now has gone completley in the other direction in part to the Republicans under Tom Gullota turning the county broke and the Republicans controlling Suffolk making that place a mess as well before the Dems came to fix it up.  Tom Suozzi has done an amazing job.  One of the few GOP strongspots on LI (Brookhaven) looks like its going by the wayside with various corruption scandals.  The mess the Republicans put themsleves in on a local level has hurt them on the state level.  They only have themsleves to blame

You are 100% correct.  I blame Pataki as leader of the party for not recognizing these bad trends, and addressing them before it's too late.  There's simply little reason to vote Republican in NY today - they stand for nothing.  As bad as the Democrats are, you can't beat something with nothing.  And Suozzi has done a great job, even in challenging the sclerotic leadership of his own party, on the issue of state mandates and how they effect local taxes.  Of course, Pataki has done nothing about this issue either.

The Republicans were digging themselves a hole even before Pataki got started.  The biggest change in NY politics has been in the NYC suburbs (Long Island and Westchester especially) Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester all use to be solidly Republican, but all had major problems in their local governents (Gullotta in Nassau County the worst) .  Those in the local governments did hold their control a little whie longer, but the national shift began in the early 90's.  In 1992 both Nassau & Westchester went for CLinton (that was the first time it went Dem in a Presidential election since 1964 when Johnson won every NY county) Clinton came a point from winning Suffolk county, by 1996 all 3 counies wentt Dem by double digits Nassau & Westchester by 19 & 20 points respectivley.  As the 90's went on the Dems started peeling off various offices in all 3 counties and have really taken control the last few years.  One of the Republican's few strongspots in the area is Brookhaven and they are now involved in various scandals so they probablky will lose their hold their to.  Its hard to say what influence Pataki has had on the state Republican party's downfall, but I think it has to do with a bunch of mistakes at the local level in the NYC burbs an area they use to control. 

[YRABNNRM]

More proof that Pataki's hole is getting deeper...

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/42151.htm

Only 42% of republicans say they would vote for him. This guy needs to get out of the race now.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Reckon he can beat ex-Montana Governer Martz's disapproval ratings (over two thirds!) before 2006?

[TeePee4Prez]

Pataki was good in his first several years as governor.

He lowered taxes and pushed through welfare reform and tougher sentencing for criminals.  These accomplishments alone, done against fierce pea-brained NYC Democratic opposition, had a huge positive impact on the business environment and quality of life in New York.

Since then, he has backslide significantly, though the state has not fallen back to the dreadful state it was in under Cuomo.

Pataki has simply run out of steam, and he ran scared as he saw the state vote increasingly Democratic in national elections.

The Democrats will take over New York State once again, and run it into the ground as they did before.  New York State voters outside the city need to realize once again that they need to unite against the nitwits who vote in New York City and have repeatedly inflicted atrocities on the rest of the state.  Until that happens, the state is a lost cause.

The Republicans have only themselves to blame for their dissaperance in NY.  On the local level they have done an absolute horrid job.  Long Island once was a Republican stronhold but now has gone completley in the other direction in part to the Republicans under Tom Gullota turning the county broke and the Republicans controlling Suffolk making that place a mess as well before the Dems came to fix it up.  Tom Suozzi has done an amazing job.  One of the few GOP strongspots on LI (Brookhaven) looks like its going by the wayside with various corruption scandals.  The mess the Republicans put themsleves in on a local level has hurt them on the state level.  They only have themsleves to blame

You are 100% correct.  I blame Pataki as leader of the party for not recognizing these bad trends, and addressing them before it's too late.  There's simply little reason to vote Republican in NY today - they stand for nothing.  As bad as the Democrats are, you can't beat something with nothing.  And Suozzi has done a great job, even in challenging the sclerotic leadership of his own party, on the issue of state mandates and how they effect local taxes.  Of course, Pataki has done nothing about this issue either.

The Republicans were digging themselves a hole even before Pataki got started.  The biggest change in NY politics has been in the NYC suburbs (Long Island and Westchester especially) Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester all use to be solidly Republican, but all had major problems in their local governents (Gullotta in Nassau County the worst) .  Those in the local governments did hold their control a little whie longer, but the national shift began in the early 90's.  In 1992 both Nassau & Westchester went for CLinton (that was the first time it went Dem in a Presidential election since 1964 when Johnson won every NY county) Clinton came a point from winning Suffolk county, by 1996 all 3 counies wentt Dem by double digits Nassau & Westchester by 19 & 20 points respectivley.  As the 90's went on the Dems started peeling off various offices in all 3 counties and have really taken control the last few years.  One of the Republican's few strongspots in the area is Brookhaven and they are now involved in various scandals so they probablky will lose their hold their to.  Its hard to say what influence Pataki has had on the state Republican party's downfall, but I think it has to do with a bunch of mistakes at the local level in the NYC burbs an area they use to control. 

I know very little about NY State Politics, but this sounds an awful lot like Southeastern PA, especially Montgomery County.  Republican machines are falling like a deck of cards and the Montco Democrats under Chairman Marcel Groen have done an amazing job.  However, the Democrats for some reason seem to be more successful up there.  The Dems really need to do better outside of Montco.

I know Keystone will crap his pants and bullmoose88 will slice my head of for saying this, but Bucks under that nitwit Fawkes will go down the toilet if a halfway competent Dem organization can get it together there.  bullmoose88 and Keystone Phil - It will only be a matter of time before Fitz is gone!  Maybe not 2006... maybe not 2008, but by 2010, I'd say he's gone!  Savor the flavor gentlemen.

I think the reason for the Dem switchover is two things.  A simple leftward shift on the poltical spectrum and a competent Dem organization to take advantage of it.  Montgomery County has both, Bucks has the first thing.     

[Jake]

I know very little about NY State Politics, but this sounds an awful lot like Southeastern PA, especially Montgomery County.  Republican machines are falling like a deck of cards and the Montco Democrats under Chairman Marcel Groen have done an amazing job.  However, the Democrats for some reason seem to be more successful up there.  The Dems really need to do better outside of Montco.

I know Keystone will crap his pants and bullmoose88 will slice my head of for saying this, but Bucks under that nitwit Fawkes will go down the toilet if a halfway competent Dem organization can get it together there.  bullmoose88 and Keystone Phil - It will only be a matter of time before Fitz is gone!  Maybe not 2006... maybe not 2008, but by 2010, I'd say he's gone!  Savor the flavor gentlemen.

I think the reason for the Dem switchover is two things.  A simple leftward shift on the poltical spectrum and a competent Dem organization to take advantage of it.  Montgomery County has both, Bucks has the first thing.     

First, the large majority of us are not so drunk that we cannot scroll up to read the debate. Please don't quote the last four, three paragraph posts.

Second, who are you going to beat Fitz with.  Carpet bag someone into the district maybe?

[TeePee4Prez]

I know very little about NY State Politics, but this sounds an awful lot like Southeastern PA, especially Montgomery County.  Republican machines are falling like a deck of cards and the Montco Democrats under Chairman Marcel Groen have done an amazing job.  However, the Democrats for some reason seem to be more successful up there.  The Dems really need to do better outside of Montco.

I know Keystone will crap his pants and bullmoose88 will slice my head of for saying this, but Bucks under that nitwit Fawkes will go down the toilet if a halfway competent Dem organization can get it together there.  bullmoose88 and Keystone Phil - It will only be a matter of time before Fitz is gone!  Maybe not 2006... maybe not 2008, but by 2010, I'd say he's gone!  Savor the flavor gentlemen.

I think the reason for the Dem switchover is two things.  A simple leftward shift on the poltical spectrum and a competent Dem organization to take advantage of it.  Montgomery County has both, Bucks has the first thing.     

First, the large majority of us are not so drunk that we cannot scroll up to read the debate. Please don't quote the last four, three paragraph posts.

Second, who are you going to beat Fitz with.  Carpet bag someone into the district maybe?

Ok, before you insult me you backwater hick, my point was the decline in GOP machines may only be a small factor in the changing of the voter tallies. 

[YRABNNRM]

*Places sign on front door*

NY POLITICS ONLY!

Just incase...

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New poll with almost exactly the same results

Spitzer 53
Pataki 30

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/politics/ny-bc-ny--pataki-20060308mar08,0,3272177.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breaking2

[Smash255]

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the Philly burbs & NYC burbs (Long Island & Westchester especially) have a lot in common.  The shift from right to left.  A combination of the leftward movement of the people in the region as well as a breakdown of machine politics.  Most of the Republicans in the areas tend to be ,more moderate Republicans as well that cross the voting aisle quite often.  Long Island still has a Republican regristration advantage (although its a gap thats closing fast) despite Suffolk not going GOP since 92, Nassau since 88, county level positions becoming more & more Democratic as well as 4 of 5 LI congressmen becoming Dems.  Republicans on Long Island, Westchester Moncto & Bucks tend lean much more towards the Chafee, Specter, Giuliani wing of the party than the Bush & Santorum wings.  Despite getting a lot closer the GOP regristration advantage is still there even though Long Island has become more & more of a Dem stronghold (similar to the south in which many Dems will vote GOP on a National level the same thing is true on LI the opposite way many reps will vote Dem on the National level and more & more on the local level as well).  Fairfax county Virginia seems to be heading towards the same direction as Long Island, Westchester, MonTCO & Bucks, once strong GOP holds becoming Dem areas.

[TeePee4Prez]

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the Philly burbs & NYC burbs (Long Island & Westchester especially) have a lot in common.  The shift from right to left.  A combination of the leftward movement of the people in the region as well as a breakdown of machine politics.  Most of the Republicans in the areas tend to be ,more moderate Republicans as well that cross the voting aisle quite often.  Long Island still has a Republican regristration advantage (although its a gap thats closing fast) despite Suffolk not going GOP since 92, Nassau since 88, county level positions becoming more & more Democratic as well as 4 of 5 LI congressmen becoming Dems.  Republicans on Long Island, Westchester Moncto & Bucks tend lean much more towards the Chafee, Specter, Giuliani wing of the party than the Bush & Santorum wings.  Despite getting a lot closer the GOP regristration advantage is still there even though Long Island has become more & more of a Dem stronghold (similar to the south in which many Dems will vote GOP on a National level the same thing is true on LI the opposite way many reps will vote Dem on the National level and more & more on the local level as well).  Fairfax county Virginia seems to be heading towards the same direction as Long Island, Westchester, MonTCO & Bucks, once strong GOP holds becoming Dem areas.

Sadly though Bucks (52% Kerry) is taking longer than expected.  I'm also hoping for Delaware (57% Kerry), a county with a GOP machine, to follow suit as well.

[Jake]

I know very little about NY State Politics, but this sounds an awful lot like Southeastern PA, especially Montgomery County.  Republican machines are falling like a deck of cards and the Montco Democrats under Chairman Marcel Groen have done an amazing job.  However, the Democrats for some reason seem to be more successful up there.  The Dems really need to do better outside of Montco.

I know Keystone will crap his pants and bullmoose88 will slice my head of for saying this, but Bucks under that nitwit Fawkes will go down the toilet if a halfway competent Dem organization can get it together there.  bullmoose88 and Keystone Phil - It will only be a matter of time before Fitz is gone!  Maybe not 2006... maybe not 2008, but by 2010, I'd say he's gone!  Savor the flavor gentlemen.

I think the reason for the Dem switchover is two things.  A simple leftward shift on the poltical spectrum and a competent Dem organization to take advantage of it.  Montgomery County has both, Bucks has the first thing.     

First, the large majority of us are not so drunk that we cannot scroll up to read the debate. Please don't quote the last four, three paragraph posts.

Second, who are you going to beat Fitz with.  Carpet bag someone into the district maybe?

Ok, before you insult me you backwater hick, my point was the decline in GOP machines may only be a small factor in the changing of the voter tallies. 

So who again will you beat Fitz with, you Drunk Irish pedophile?

[Keystone Phil]

Pataki was good in his first several years as governor.

He lowered taxes and pushed through welfare reform and tougher sentencing for criminals.  These accomplishments alone, done against fierce pea-brained NYC Democratic opposition, had a huge positive impact on the business environment and quality of life in New York.

Since then, he has backslide significantly, though the state has not fallen back to the dreadful state it was in under Cuomo.

Pataki has simply run out of steam, and he ran scared as he saw the state vote increasingly Democratic in national elections.

The Democrats will take over New York State once again, and run it into the ground as they did before.  New York State voters outside the city need to realize once again that they need to unite against the nitwits who vote in New York City and have repeatedly inflicted atrocities on the rest of the state.  Until that happens, the state is a lost cause.

The Republicans have only themselves to blame for their dissaperance in NY.  On the local level they have done an absolute horrid job.  Long Island once was a Republican stronhold but now has gone completley in the other direction in part to the Republicans under Tom Gullota turning the county broke and the Republicans controlling Suffolk making that place a mess as well before the Dems came to fix it up.  Tom Suozzi has done an amazing job.  One of the few GOP strongspots on LI (Brookhaven) looks like its going by the wayside with various corruption scandals.  The mess the Republicans put themsleves in on a local level has hurt them on the state level.  They only have themsleves to blame

You are 100% correct.  I blame Pataki as leader of the party for not recognizing these bad trends, and addressing them before it's too late.  There's simply little reason to vote Republican in NY today - they stand for nothing.  As bad as the Democrats are, you can't beat something with nothing.  And Suozzi has done a great job, even in challenging the sclerotic leadership of his own party, on the issue of state mandates and how they effect local taxes.  Of course, Pataki has done nothing about this issue either.

The Republicans were digging themselves a hole even before Pataki got started.  The biggest change in NY politics has been in the NYC suburbs (Long Island and Westchester especially) Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester all use to be solidly Republican, but all had major problems in their local governents (Gullotta in Nassau County the worst) .  Those in the local governments did hold their control a little whie longer, but the national shift began in the early 90's.  In 1992 both Nassau & Westchester went for CLinton (that was the first time it went Dem in a Presidential election since 1964 when Johnson won every NY county) Clinton came a point from winning Suffolk county, by 1996 all 3 counies wentt Dem by double digits Nassau & Westchester by 19 & 20 points respectivley.  As the 90's went on the Dems started peeling off various offices in all 3 counties and have really taken control the last few years.  One of the Republican's few strongspots in the area is Brookhaven and they are now involved in various scandals so they probablky will lose their hold their to.  Its hard to say what influence Pataki has had on the state Republican party's downfall, but I think it has to do with a bunch of mistakes at the local level in the NYC burbs an area they use to control. 

I know Keystone will crap his pants and bullmoose88 will slice my head of for saying this, but Bucks under that nitwit Fawkes will go down the toilet if a halfway competent Dem organization can get it together there.  bullmoose88 and Keystone Phil - It will only be a matter of time before Fitz is gone!  Maybe not 2006... maybe not 2008, but by 2010, I'd say he's gone!  Savor the flavor gentlemen.

Yeah...it's true. It's almost impossible for you to go a post without mentioning me.