Venezuela's Chavez says cancer has returned

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

On VP Maduro, from Wikipedia:

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lol

For quite a few politicians being compared to a lump of firewood is a generous assessment of their abilities.   Yes I know what was meant, but I decided to have fun with it.

[Zanas]

You know what : I'm pro-Chavez generally speaking, with doubts on some issues of course, but I totally get SJoyceFla when he expresses his joy at the news. I express my joy at the news when someone I consider a despicable fascist dies, is killed, or has an incurable illness. It's what humans tend to do from time to time.

Recover Hugo, you can't go before Fidel !

[© tweed]

the surgery didn't go perfectly, Chavez suffered internal bleeding after the surgery.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/14/headlines#12148


he's probably done, more or less. 

[Kaine for Senate '18]

No big loss.  One less wannabe dictator in the world.

[Simfan34]

the surgery didn't go perfectly, Chavez suffered internal bleeding after the surgery.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/14/headlines#12148


he's probably done, more or less. 

Your people are saying otherwise.

[Cory]

So he's in keeping with the quite literally homophobic tradition of the Cuban and Bolivarian Revolutions.

As opposed to the saintly tolerance of the right. :rolleyes:

[Velasco]

Regional elections were held in Venezuela on Sunday. The outcome was a Chavista landslide: PSUV won 20 out of 23 regional governments. Half of PSUV's governors are loyal military men: four former ministers of defense, comrades in arms and disciples. Low turnout, specially among the middle classes - I'm transcribing a press information and I don't know what's considered 'middle class' in Venezuela, I just know that it's a limited quota and tends to favour the opposition in a more or less overwhelming way.

On the opposition ground, the traditional parties have been defeated and Henrique Capriles retains the state of Miranda, turning into the only possible candidate against Nicolás Maduro. "Today the people has given a great gift of love to the Comandante. The people will not let Chávez down", stated the Vice-President and heir. The other states still in the opposition's hands are Lara and Amazonas. Proyecto Venezuela, AD, COPEI and Un Nuevo Tiempo have lost influence in the MUD (Democratic Unity Roundtable) due to the defeats in states such as Carabobo, Táchira or Nueva Esparta.

In the oil-state of Zulia, the incumbent opposition governor, Pablo Pérez, suffered a major defeat against the oficialista Francisco Arias Cárdenas, one of the comandantes who led the 1992 coup d'etat attempt besides Chávez. Cárdenas governed Zulia between 1995 and 2000.

The state of Bolívar, in the SE, is disputed between the incumbent PSUV governor and the MUD challenger.

[RogueBeaver]

At least Capriles kept his job... was this a sympathy wave for Chavez or something bigger?

[Velasco]

It's possible that the low turnout associated with a certain demobilization among the MUD's base has played a role. Certainly one might not reject a certain wave of sympathy towards Chávez either. There would be necessary to see what the analysts say in the press - the Venezuelan is not in the habit of being very impartial, in one way or another.

[Illuminati Blood Drinker]

the surgery didn't go perfectly, Chavez suffered internal bleeding after the surgery.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/14/headlines#12148


he's probably done, more or less.  

Your people are saying otherwise.

hahaha did you seriously just compare a Cuban news agency to Democracy Now (probably trying to imply all democrats are evil Stalinist commies)? really?

edit: On the plus side, if Chavez kicks the bucket, the reaction from Mathaba (some of you probably know it; for those that don't, it's basically a hardline pro-Gaddafi/anti-West news agency which has recently taken a turn towards Bolivarianism) will be absolutely hilarious. I wonder if it'll be on par with this...

[Simfan34]

the surgery didn't go perfectly, Chavez suffered internal bleeding after the surgery.

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/14/headlines#12148


he's probably done, more or less.  

Your people are saying otherwise.

hahaha did you seriously just compare a Cuban news agency to Democracy Now (probably trying to imply all democrats are evil Stalinist commies)? really?

edit: On the plus side, if Chavez kicks the bucket, the reaction from Mathaba (some of you probably know it; for those that don't, it's basically a hardline pro-Gaddafi/anti-West news agency which has recently taken a turn towards Bolivarianism) will be absolutely hilarious. I wonder if it'll be on par with this...

I'd say saying that all Democrats are aligned with Democracy Now's politics is far more inane than comparing Democracy Now with Cuban State News.

But that wasn't what I was saying at all. I was saying Tweed's people (the Cubans) were spewing a different story than he and I was challenging him to address the contradiction.

And of course I did not mean to imply that Tweed was a communist. That's a given.

[Velasco]

Maduro is pretty eloquent in his statements, isn't he?

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(From Democracy Now, not exactly the Democratic Party's News Agency nor the Cuban one)

[© tweed]

or an eloquent translator, who knows.

[Velasco]

Maybe this stuff should be better in the International Elections board, but I feel a bit lazy about opening a new thread for this. According to wikipedia the results in the regional elections were:

PSUV 56.22% and 20 governors; MUD 43.78% and 3 governors. Turnout 53.94%.

Also, there were elected state legislators, but I haven't data for them (perhaps I could try in the Venezuelan electoral site later).

There's a map in the Spanish wiki. Credits: WikiAnthony. Apparently the colour scale is related with population density, not with vote percentages. In colour grey the city of Caracas; there weren't mayoral elections (foreseen on April 14, 2013). The striped area belongs to Guyana and is reclaimed by Venezuela; ignore it.

Also, you can see the results in the gubernatorial races in this infography provided by El Universal.



There are interesting maps and data for the 2008 regional and municipal elections in the wiki:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Resultados_de_las_elecciones_regionales_de_Venezuela_de_2008

[Bacon King]

FTR, the stripy bit of Guyana is even on the election results map of the Venezuelan government's election results page

[Antonio the Sixth]

FTR, the stripy bit of Guyana is even on the election results map of the Venezuelan government's election results page

But this territory is effectively administered by Guyana, right?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

FTR, the stripy bit of Guyana is even on the election results map of the Venezuelan government's election results page

But this territory is effectively administered by Guyana, right?

Yes, because it is part of Guyana.  The boundary dispute was taken to international arbitration in the 1890s and largely decided in favor of the British.  It's also very lightly populated.  Despite being about three-fifths of Guyana, the territory only has about one-fifth of Guyana's population.

One reason the Guyana government welcomed Jim Jones and Jonestown was to help settle the area and forestall possible Venezuelan squatters from crossing the border.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

On VP Maduro, from Wikipedia:

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lol

Sam Spade is back.

[MasterJedi]

The sooner Chavez dies the better for the country. For all his posturing all he wants to do is rule over a country of enslaved poor that worship him. And then if somehow he were to actually lose an election with all the fraud they endorse he'd just sick the military on the opposition and stay in power.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Reports from Cuba say Chavez is on his deathbed, and may be dead within hours. An open letter from Fidel Castro to Venezuela has a very dark tone, almost like that of an obituary, using the past tense very often.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-venezuela-chavez-20130103,0,1329257.story?track=rss

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/david-paulin/castro-fuels-rumors-of-a-chavez-death-watch-2/

Chavez is no Hitler, and I cannot say I wish him death, but I think his removal from office, whether it be by death or him simply not being able to take power come January 10th for health reasons, is a good thing.

[Lief 🗽]

The sooner Chavez dies the better for the country. For all his posturing all he wants to do is rule over a country of enslaved poor that worship him. And then if somehow he were to actually lose an election with all the fraud they endorse he'd just sick the military on the opposition and stay in power.

Venezuelan elections are some of the fairest and best run in the world.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Chavez is no Hitler, and I cannot say I wish him death, but I think his removal from office, whether it be by death or him simply not being able to take power come January 10th for health reasons, is a good thing.

You mean the apocalyptic civil war that will begin among his "allies" to succeed him will be a good thing?

[Franzl]

The sooner Chavez dies the better for the country. For all his posturing all he wants to do is rule over a country of enslaved poor that worship him. And then if somehow he were to actually lose an election with all the fraud they endorse he'd just sick the military on the opposition and stay in power.

I assume you get your "knowledge" of foreign affairs from FOX?

[Donerail]

[Antonio the Sixth]

I love the subtle implications of choosing Chile as the other term of the comparison.