Hungary...

[Lief 🗽]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/27/us-hungary-antisemitism-idUSBRE8AQ0L920121127

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jesus christ

[Franzl]

Wow...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

...

[Zioneer]

From what I understand, Jobbik is the actual fascist party, while the ruling right-wing Fidesz is making themselves a kind of messianic nationalist type of party, and the left has completely fallen apart.

So it doesn't look good in Hungary. Or Greece with the Golden Dawn.

If Golden Dawn and Jobbik become more popular and ally with each other...

[ingemann]

From what I understand, Jobbik is the actual fascist party, while the ruling right-wing Fidesz is making themselves a kind of messianic nationalist type of party, and the left has completely fallen apart.

So it doesn't look good in Hungary. Or Greece with the Golden Dawn.

If Golden Dawn and Jobbik become more popular and ally with each other...

I think we all get why Jobbik is successful, it's the anti-Semitism which is weird. Jews are almost gone from Hungary, and Gypsies are a much bigger and more obvious target for a group like Jobbik. So 30ties style anti-Semitism just come across as weird.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Eh, I guess anti-semites have never really been ones to let facts get in the way of hating.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I ask this question with genuine dread and trepidation: what do the polls look like in Hungary at the moment?

[ingemann]

Eh, I guess anti-semites have never really been ones to let facts get in the way of hating.

I disagree, if we look historical virulent anti-Semitism has existed in areas with significant Jewish population. Anti-Semitism based on general Christian or Islamic antipathy toward Jews rather than direct contact was usual more intellectual or symbolic.

[afleitch]

Shh! Stop typing. I can't hear the E.U fiddling.

[ingemann]

Shh! Stop typing. I can't hear the E.U fiddling.

EU learnt its lesson from the entire FPÖ debacle, so now they leave it to national and transnational courts to see if the states behave unacceptable. You know the whole rule of law, democracy and national self determination.

[Lief 🗽]

I ask this question with genuine dread and trepidation: what do the polls look like in Hungary at the moment?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/15/hungary-politics-idUSL5E8MFEIJ20121115

Looks like Fidesz is ahead by mid-single digits, but also all the polls are showing 50% undecided?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I disagree, if we look historical virulent anti-Semitism has existed in areas with significant Jewish population. Anti-Semitism based on general Christian or Islamic antipathy toward Jews rather than direct contact was usual more intellectual or symbolic.

At a guess (and being entirely serious for a change) the issue is that it's traditional by this point.

[Zanas]

I ask this question with genuine dread and trepidation: what do the polls look like in Hungary at the moment?

I looked it : Fidesz is around 20, Socialists around 15, Jobbik around 10, Greens around 4. With around 50% undecided or not turning out...

But, a month ago, Bajnai, the previous PM before Orban, who was endorsed by the Socialists but not one himself, created his movement, Együtt 2014, Together 2014, as some kind of heterogeneous coalition of non Socialists vaguely centre-left parties, associations and... stuff.

And in the first poll including them, they got 14%, getting half of that from the Soc, and half from undecided. Fidesz, Jobbik and Greens were untouched.

So it could be a good sign, I don't know. We don't get an upper-tens polling Jobbik as of now, as opposed to XA in Greece.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I ask this question with genuine dread and trepidation: what do the polls look like in Hungary at the moment?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/15/hungary-politics-idUSL5E8MFEIJ20121115

Looks like Fidesz is ahead by mid-single digits, but also all the polls are showing 50% undecided?

So that roughly translates as Fidesz 38, MSZP 32, Jobbik 16

Which is awful, but less grotesque than the last time I checked.

[Lief 🗽]

I ask this question with genuine dread and trepidation: what do the polls look like in Hungary at the moment?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/15/hungary-politics-idUSL5E8MFEIJ20121115

Looks like Fidesz is ahead by mid-single digits, but also all the polls are showing 50% undecided?

So that roughly translates as Fidesz 38, MSZP 32, Jobbik 16

Which is awful, but less grotesque than the last time I checked.

At the very least it would mean the end of Fidesz's supermajority...

[Boris]

http://www.jobbik.com/us_elections_-_jobbik_welcomes_victory_lesser_evil

[ingemann]

I disagree, if we look historical virulent anti-Semitism has existed in areas with significant Jewish population. Anti-Semitism based on general Christian or Islamic antipathy toward Jews rather than direct contact was usual more intellectual or symbolic.

At a guess (and being entirely serious for a change) the issue is that it's traditional by this point.

I see your point, it's a return to the good old day for many Hungarians, when the Hungarian minorities lived in Hungary, Hungary was more than a minor Central European state and Jews bashing was common.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I disagree, if we look historical virulent anti-Semitism has existed in areas with significant Jewish population. Anti-Semitism based on general Christian or Islamic antipathy toward Jews rather than direct contact was usual more intellectual or symbolic.

At a guess (and being entirely serious for a change) the issue is that it's traditional by this point.

I see your point, it's a return to the good old day for many Hungarians, when the Hungarian minorities lived in Hungary, Hungary was more than a minor Central European state and Jews bashing was common.

A nostalgic racist trip down memory lane, yes. I suppose certain specific types of post-communist anti-communist discourses (I'm... tired... so... can't put that better right now) might also come into play.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Words fail me.

[Simfan34]

...is doing just fine. I've never understood the currently fashionable resentment of Orban.

[Antonio the Sixth]

...is doing just fine. I've never understood the currently fashionable resentment of Orban.

Go fuck yourself.

[Donerail]

...is doing just fine. I've never understood the currently fashionable resentment of Orban.

Go fuck yourself.

With a fasces.

[Phony Moderate]

...is doing just fine. I've never understood the currently fashionable resentment of Orban.

Go fuck yourself.

The sad thing is that you will probably be the one who will be infracted....

[DC Al Fine]

...is doing just fine. I've never understood the currently fashionable resentment of Orban.

True, people never seem to complain about similar problems in Romania.

[Simfan34]

...is doing just fine. I've never understood the currently fashionable resentment of Orban.

Go fuck yourself.

The sad thing is that you will probably be the one who will be infracted....

I shan't report him. Is speaking in defence of democratically elected heads of government an infractable offence now?