State Capitals that went for Romney

[NOVA Green]

So far it looks like of the capitals in counties Romney won;

Obama won Salem, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Helena, Lincoln, Topeka, and Annapolis or at least I think it safe to assume he won these even if they were close.

Charleston, Boise, and Springfield still seem unclear to any clarification would be great.

It looks like Romney won Carson City, Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre, and Jefferson City, so he won anywhere between 5-8 state capitals.

I wonder if the 2012 results in these state capitols were ever determined or calculated. Of the cities I bolded, I would assume Obama won all three, thus leaving Romney with five state capitols. Biden actually won Marion County (Salem), Maricopa County (Phoenix), Shawnee County (Topeka), and Anne Arundel County (Annapolis) last year, all of which Obama lost twice, so he almost certainly outperformed Obama in these cities.

Salem, OR was definitely Obama in 2012.

I ran the numbers for the largest cities in OR for 2012 and 2016 a bit ago (although don't have the exact post I made some years back at my fingertips, but did save a text file to my notepad which I was easily able to search on my PC (There are a few which I didn't calculate at the time, although might have the precinct data-sets floating around in my library somewhere:

So here are the 2016 Presidential GE Results for the 100 largest cities in Oregon, by order of population....


1.) Portland- 594.7k---- 2016: (78-13 D); 2012: (79-16 D)         +2% Dem Swing
2.) Eugene-  157.3k---  2016: (66-23 D); 2012: (69-26 D)         +0% Swing
3.) Salem-    156.9k---  2016: (50-39 D); 2012: (54-42 D)         +1% Rep Swing
4.) Gresham- 107.2k--- 2016: (49-39 D); 2012: (55-42 D)         +3% Rep Swing
5.) Hillsboro-  107.2k--- 2016: (55-32 D); 2012: (56-39 D)        +6% Dem Swing
6.) Beaverton- 91.4k----2016: (63-25 D)2012: (62-34 D)           +10% Dem Swing
7.) Bend----     87.1k--- 2016: (52-36 D); 2012: (53-44 D)         +7 % Dem Swing
8.) Medford--   75.9k--- 2016: (39-51 R); 2012: (43-54 R)          +1% Rep Swing
9.) Springfield--59.7k--  2016: (47-40 D); 2012: (55-39 D)         +9% Rep Swing
10.) Corvallis-- 54.7k--  2016: (70-18 D); 2012: (69-25 D)        +8 % Dem Swin
11.) Albany---- 50.8k-- 2016:  (40-47 R); 2012: (46-49 R)         +4% Rep Swing
12.) Tigard---   49.0k-- 2016: (58-30 D); 2012: (56-40 D)          +12% Dem Swing   
13.) Lake Oswego- 37.0k- 2016: (63-26 D); 2012: (57-41 D)     +20% Dem Swing
14.) Keizer---   36.7k---   2016: (39-49 R); 2012: (45-53 R)       +2% Rep Swing
15.) Grants Pass-- 34.5k- 2016: (32-58 R); 2012: (39-57 R)      +8 % Rep Swing
16.) McMinville-- 32.2k--- 2016: (47-42 D); 2012: (51-46 D)      +0% Swing
17.) Oregon City- 33.1k-  2016: (45-42 D); 2012: (51-46 D)      +2% Rep Swing
18.) Redmond-- 26.2k--  2016: (31-58 R); 2012: (37-59 R)       +5% Rep Swing
19.) Tualatin-- 26.4k--    2016: (53-34 D); 2012: (51-46 D)      +14% Dem Swing
20.) West Linn- 25.5k-- 2016: (60-29 D); 2012: (55-44 D)         +20% Dem Swing
21.) Woodburn--- 24.1k-- 2016: (51-40 D);  2012: (52-45 D)       +4% Dem Swing
22.) Newberg--- 22.1k--- 2016: (40-45 R); 2012: (43-53 R)         +5% Dem Swing
23.) Roseburg-- 21.2k--- 2016: (34-55 R); 2012: (41-55 R)          +7% Rep Swing
24.) Forest Grove-- 21.6k-- 2016: (47-39 D); 2012: (53-41 D)     +4% Rep Swing
25.) Klamath Falls--- TBD
26.) Milwaukie-  20.4k- 2016: (60-28 D); 2012: (65-32 D)             +1% Rep Swing
27.) Ashland--- 20.4k-- 2016: (79-12 D); 2012: (81-14 D)             +0% Swing
28.) Wilsonville- 19.6k-  2016: (50-38 D); 2012: (48-48* R)          +12% Dem Swing
29.) Sherwood--- 19.4k-- 2016: (47-39 D); 2012: (47-50 R)          +11% Dem Swing
30.) Central Point--- 17.3k-- 2016: (28-63 R); 2012: (34-63 R)      +6% Rep Swing
31.) Hermistion--- TBD
32.) Pendleton---  TBD
33.) Coos Bay---  16.0k-  2016: (40-49 R); 2012: (52-44 D)          +17% Rep Swing
34.) Troutdale--- 16k-     2016: (44-43 D); 2012: (51-46 D)          +4% Rep Swing
35.) Canby----    16.6k-  2016: (40-49 R); 2012: (42-55 R)           +4% Dem Swing
36.) Lebanon-     15.6k-- 2016: (31-54 R); 2012: (42-53 R)         +12% Rep Swing
37.) Dallas--- 14.7k-- 2016:  (34-55 R); 2012: (43-53 R)              +11% Rep Swing
38.) Happy Valley- 14.9k- 2016: (49-41 D); 2012: (46-53 R)        +15% Dem Swing
39.) The Dalles-- 15.3k-- 2016:  (42-45 R); 2012:  (50-47 D)        +6% Rep Swing
40.) La Grande--- TBD
41.) St Helens--- 12.9k-- 2016: (39-47 R); 2012: (54-41 D)        +21% Rep Swing
42.) Cornelius-   12.0k-- 2016:  (52-36 D); 2012: (54-41 D)        +5% Dem Swing
43.) Gladstone- 11.6k-- 2016: (49-39 D); 2012: (54-43 D)          +1% Rep Swing
44.) Ontario----  TBD
45.) Damascus--- Will need to look into further. 
46.) Newport---- 10.1k-- 2016: (55-35 D); 2012: (62-35 D)         +7% Rep Swing
47.) Baker City-  TBD
48.) North Bend--- 9.6k--- 2016: (37-52 R); 2012: (49-48 D)    +16% Rep Swing
49.) Cottage Grove--- 10k-- 2016: (39-49 R); 2012: (51-46 D)  +15% Rep Swing
50.) Sandy-- 9.7k-     2016: (36-52 R); 2012: (46-50 R)            +12% Rep Swing
51.) Monmouth--9.5k-- 2016: (52-34 D); 2012: (53-42 D)        +7% Dem Swing
52.) Astoria-- 9.5k--    2016: (59-29 D); 2012: (64-31 D)           +3% Rep Swing
53.) Prineville---- TBD
54.) Silverton--- 9.3k---   2016: (45-42 D);  2012: (51-46 D)     +2% Rep Swing
55.) Sweet Home--9.0k-- 2016: (26-63 R);  2012: (36-60 R)     +13% Rep Swing
56.) Fairview--- 9.0k---    2016: (52-38 D);  2012: (57-39 D)     +4% Rep Swing
57.) Independence--9.5k--- 2016: (48-39 D); 2012: (54-40 D)  +5% Rep Swing
58.) Eagle Point--- 8.5k--- 2016: (23-69 R); 2012: (31-67 R)    +10% Rep Swing
59.) Florence--- 8.5k-- 2016: (45-46 R); 2012: (50-46 D)         +5% Rep Swing
60.) Molalla--- 8.2k--- 2016: (28-59 R); 2012: (37-59 R)           +9% Rep Swing
61.) Lincoln City--- 7.9k-- 2016: (48-41 D); 2012: (59-37 D)    +15% Rep Swing
62.) Sutherlin--- 7.8k-- 2016:  (26-65 R); 2012: (34-62 R)       +11% Rep Swing
63.) Stayton--- 3.4k-- 2016: (30-58 R); 2012: (37-60 R)          +5% Rep Swing
64.) Hood River--- 7.2k-- 2016: (69-22 D); 2012: (69-27 D)     +5% Dem Swing
65.) Milton-Freewater--- TBD
66.) Umatilla--- TBD
67.) Scappoose- 6.6k--- 2016: (44-42 D); 2012: (53-43 D)       +8% Rep Swing
68.) Seaside--- 6.5k-- 2016: (50-38 D); 2012: (58-38 D)          +8% Rep Swing
69.) Brookings-- 6.3k-- 2016: (31-59 R); 2012: (38-58 R)         +8% Rep Swing
70.) Sheridan--   6.1k-- 2016: (32-57 R); 2012: (43-52 R)         +16% Rep Swing
71.) Talent--     6.1k-- 2016: (62-27 D); 2012: (65-31 D)            +1% Dem Swing
72.) Madras----   6.1k-- 2016: (35-51 R); 2012: (46-50 R)          +22% Rep Swing
73.) Junction City--- 5.5k--- 2016: (33-55 R); 2012: (42-52 R)    +12% Rep Swing
74.) Winston--- 5.4k-- 2016: (25-66 R); 2012: (35-62 R)            +14% Rep Swing
75.) Creswell--- 5.0k-- 2016: (35-53 R); 2016: (44-52 R)            +10% Rep Swing
76.) Warrenton- 5.1k--- 2016: (37-51 R); 2012: (47-49 R)          +12% Rep Swing
77.) Tillamook--- 4.9k-- 2016:  (38-47 R); 2012: (50-46 D)          +11% Rep Swing
78.) Philomath--- 4.6k- 2016: (48-36 D); 2012: (56-38 D)           +6% Rep Swing
79.) Veneta-----  4.6k-- 2016:  (35-53 R); 2012: (45-50 R)          +13% Rep Swing
80.) Phoenix--- 4.6k-- 2016: (48-43 D); 2012: (53-44 D)             +4% Rep Swing
81.) Reedsport-- 4.2k--- 2016:  (35-56 R); 2012: (45-52 R)         +14% Rep Swing
82.) Wood Village- 3.9k-- 2016: (50-37 D); 2012: (60-36 D)        +11% Rep Swing
83.) Coquille--- 3.9k-- 2016: (27-63 R); 2012: (39-56 R)             +19% Rep Swing   
84.) LaFayette--- Unknown. Split Precinct???
85.) Aumsville- 3.7k-- 2016: (24-64 R); 2012: (31-65)                +6% Rep Swing
86.) Harrisburg--- 3.6k-- 2016: (27-63 R); 2012: (35-62 R)         +9% Rep Swing
87.) Toledo--- 3.5k--- 2016: (38-49 R); 2012: (53-42 D)             +22% Rep Swing
88.) Myrtle Creek- 3.4k-- 2016: (23-69 R); 2012: (34-63 R)        +17% Rep Swing
89.) Mount Angel- 3.4k---2016: (38-50 R); 2012: (43-55 R)        +0% Swing
90.) Nyssa----TBD
91.) Boardman-- TBD
92.) Oakridge--- 3.2k--- 2016: (39-48 R); 2012: (50-42 D)      +17% Rep Swing
93.) Hubbard--  3.2k--   2016: (39-49 R); 2012:  (43-53 R)       +0% Swing
94.) Dundee--- 3.2k--- 2016: (42-45 R); 2012: (47-49 R)         +1% Rep Swing
95.) King City--  3.2k-- 2016: (57-36 D); 2012: (57-40 D)        +4% Dem Swing
96.) Jefferson--- 3.1k-- 2016: (28-60 R); 2012: (37-59 R)         +10 Rep Swing
97.) Bandon--- 3.1k... 2016: (46-45 D); 2012: (52-43 D)          +8% Rep Swing
98.) Shady Cove
99.) Burns-- TBD
100.) Jacksonville--- 2.8k--- 2016: (47-45 D); 2012: (45-53 R)   +10% Dem Swing

[NOVA Green]

So far it looks like of the capitals in counties Romney won;

Obama won Salem, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Helena, Lincoln, Topeka, and Annapolis or at least I think it safe to assume he won these even if they were close.

Charleston, Boise, and Springfield still seem unclear to any clarification would be great.

It looks like Romney won Carson City, Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre, and Jefferson City, so he won anywhere between 5-8 state capitals.

I wonder if the 2012 results in these state capitols were ever determined or calculated. Of the cities I bolded, I would assume Obama won all three, thus leaving Romney with five state capitols. Biden actually won Marion County (Salem), Maricopa County (Phoenix), Shawnee County (Topeka), and Anne Arundel County (Annapolis) last year, all of which Obama lost twice, so he almost certainly outperformed Obama in these cities.

Cheyenne, Wyoming was clearly Romney in 2012.

There are still (61) precincts in the County just like there were in 2012 and I am assuming there were no major precinct boundary changes.

Using the same precinct coding I used in '16 and '20 for Cheyenne:

2012:   Romney- 14,359 (55.6%); Obama- 10,563  (40.9%)  TV-25,814  +14.7% R   
2016:   Trump- 14,687 (54.9%); Obama- 8,853  (33.1%)  TV-26,754   +21.8% R (+7.1R Swing)
2020:   Trump- 16,102 (55.8%); Biden-  11,423 (39.6%)   TV-28,835    +16.2%R (+5.6D Swing)

[NOVA Green]

So far it looks like of the capitals in counties Romney won;

Obama won Salem, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Helena, Lincoln, Topeka, and Annapolis or at least I think it safe to assume he won these even if they were close.

Charleston, Boise, and Springfield still seem unclear to any clarification would be great.

It looks like Romney won Carson City, Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre, and Jefferson City, so he won anywhere between 5-8 state capitals.

I wonder if the 2012 results in these state capitols were ever determined or calculated. Of the cities I bolded, I would assume Obama won all three, thus leaving Romney with five state capitols. Biden actually won Marion County (Salem), Maricopa County (Phoenix), Shawnee County (Topeka), and Anne Arundel County (Annapolis) last year, all of which Obama lost twice, so he almost certainly outperformed Obama in these cities.

So I thought it might be interesting to run the numbers for Boise, Idaho for the 2012 Presidential election since this thread caught my eye the other day and I realized that I hadn't run the data for most of the places on the list.

Obama clearly won Boise Idaho in 2012 by significant margins.

Methodology standard--- here I took the 2015 Mayoral precinct report from Boise and matched it against 2012 Precincts and municipal results from other places and tried to screen out the small number of obvious tiny Boise splits.... there were a few where Boise & Eagle City overlapped and by default coded those for the largest of the two vote totals.

For precinct coding I used the same coding by city between '12 and '16, so slightly different than my initial 2016 GE PRES calculations previously posted elsewhere. (Precinct 2107 was reassigned from Meridian to Boise in my math).

For 2020 precinct coding gets slightly trickier, so I used the 2019 Boise Mayoral precinct coding combined with looking at the Ada County Precinct Map.

New precincts added in Boise were pretty much A/B splits, and the rest of the new precincts were either in unincorporated areas SW of Boise OR in the fast growing suburb / exurb of Meridian.

NOTE: 2012 & 2016 GE PRES results do NOT include Write-In Ballots.

2020 GE PRES results DO include Write-In Ballots.

Tried to be consistent with my 2012-2020 format, which I used for Cheyenne:


2012:   Romney- 44,161 (44.5%); Obama- 51,391  (51.8%)  TV-99,295  +7.3% D  
2016:   Trump- 38,667 (37.4%); Clinton- 50,626  (49.0%)  TV-103,299   +11.6% D (+4.3D Swing)
2020:   Trump- 46,954 (37.2%); Biden-  74,036 (58.6%)   TV-126,257    +21.4%D (+9.8D Swing)
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It is also patently clear that the overwhelming majority of "New Voters" in Boise benefited Biden between the '16 and '20 GEs, and not just 3rd Party Voters in '16 (LBT, GRN, & McMullin) disproportionately benefiting the DEMs.

Meanwhile my precinct coding in '16 and '18 might have slightly different results, but this is still illustrative of some of the shifts in Boise in a few down-ballot races over that time. (Haven't run the 2020 numbers and adjusted precinct coding data, but it gives an idea of how rapidly DEM the City of Boise has moved between even just '16>'20).

[NOVA Green]

Anybody interested in me spending potentially an hour or two out of my life to provide additional details pls post, since really 2012 GE isn't at the top of my radar right now, but hate to waste my time if there is little or no interest.

[NOVA Green]

So I thought it might be interesting to run the numbers for Boise, Idaho for the 2012 Presidential election since this thread caught my eye the other day and I realized that I hadn't run the data for most of the places on the list.

Obama clearly won Boise Idaho in 2012 by significant margins.

Methodology standard--- here I took the 2015 Mayoral precinct report from Boise and matched it against 2012 Precincts and municipal results from other places and tried to screen out the small number of obvious tiny Boise splits.... there were a few where Boise & Eagle City overlapped and by default coded those for the largest of the two vote totals.

For precinct coding I used the same coding by city between '12 and '16, so slightly different than my initial 2016 GE PRES calculations previously posted elsewhere. (Precinct 2107 was reassigned from Meridian to Boise in my math).

For 2020 precinct coding gets slightly trickier, so I used the 2019 Boise Mayoral precinct coding combined with looking at the Ada County Precinct Map.

New precincts added in Boise were pretty much A/B splits, and the rest of the new precincts were either in unincorporated areas SW of Boise OR in the fast growing suburb / exurb of Meridian.

NOTE: 2012 & 2016 GE PRES results do NOT include Write-In Ballots.

2020 GE PRES results DO include Write-In Ballots.

Tried to be consistent with my 2012-2020 format, which I used for Cheyenne:


2012:   Romney- 44,161 (44.5%); Obama- 51,391  (51.8%)  TV-99,295  +7.3% D  
2016:   Trump- 38,667 (37.4%); Clinton- 50,626  (49.0%)  TV-103,299   +11.6% D (+4.3D Swing)
2020:   Trump- 46,954 (37.2%); Biden-  74,036 (58.6%)   TV-126,257    +21.4%D (+9.8D Swing)

It is also patently clear that the overwhelming majority of "New Voters" in Boise benefited Biden between the '16 and '20 GEs, and not just 3rd Party Voters in '16 (LBT, GRN, & McMullin) disproportionately benefiting the DEMs.

Meanwhile my precinct coding in '16 and '18 might have slightly different results, but this is still illustrative of some of the shifts in Boise in a few down-ballot races over that time. (Haven't run the 2020 numbers and adjusted precinct coding data, but it gives an idea of how rapidly DEM the City of Boise has moved between even just '16>'20).

Sorry, but Boise supported Romney...and by double digits: https://www.bestplaces.net/voting/city/idaho/boise

I am assuming this is a joke post, since anybody who believes that bestplaces.net is a legitimate source of election returns is either woefully ignorant OR deliberately to use a British term "taking the piss".

No time nor energy for deliberate trolling when it comes to election results.

Anybody who wants to double-check the 2012 GE PRES Election numbers can go directly to the original source:

https://adacounty.id.gov/elections/election-results/#2012_Elections

[NOVA Green]

So far it looks like of the capitals in counties Romney won;

Obama won Salem, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Helena, Lincoln, Topeka, and Annapolis or at least I think it safe to assume he won these even if they were close.

Charleston, Boise, and Springfield still seem unclear to any clarification would be great.

It looks like Romney won Carson City, Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre, and Jefferson City, so he won anywhere between 5-8 state capitals.

Thanks to https://www.bestplaces.net/, I can tell you definitively how these cities went in 2012.

Somewhat surprisingly, Boise went Republican in 2020. In fact it's voted red since at least 1996 (the stats are only given 2000-onward, though I think it's safe to assume Boise went non-forum red in 1996), and with double-digit margins in 2000, 2004 and 2012.

Also surprisingly, Springfield votes red too. It went red in 2000, 2004, 2012, 2016 and 2020, only voting blue in 2008, although Romney in 2012 (and Trump in 2016 and 2020) won by single-digit margins.

Not at all surprisingly, Charleston is quite Republican. It last went Democratic in 2000 and gave Romney and Trump (twice) double-digit margins.

As for the others, you're right about the cities you guessed went for Romney - Carson City backed him, as did Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre and Jefferson City. In fact, all those cities, with the exception of Carson City, supported Romney by double digits.


For Obama, you're completely incorrect (no offense meant) - all of the ones you predicted went for him actually went for Romney.
Salem went for Romney by single digits; SLC, as I suspected, went for him by double digits (I told you he won it because muh Mormonism and overperformance in North UT); and Lincoln went red by single digits. Very surprisingly, Phoenix went for Romney by single digits too (I thought it would be safe Democratic), and so did Helena and Topeka (less surprising). Annapolis, pretty surprisingly, gave Romney a win as well.

Go home... and don't bet on bestplaces.com

Out of your element Donny, although again I strongly suspect you are being frivolous in the extreme or "taking a Mickey" (Once again to use another British term). 

[NOVA Green]

So far it looks like of the capitals in counties Romney won;

Obama won Salem, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Helena, Lincoln, Topeka, and Annapolis or at least I think it safe to assume he won these even if they were close.

Charleston, Boise, and Springfield still seem unclear to any clarification would be great.

It looks like Romney won Carson City, Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre, and Jefferson City, so he won anywhere between 5-8 state capitals.

Thanks to https://www.bestplaces.net/, I can tell you definitively how these cities went in 2012.

Somewhat surprisingly, Boise went Republican in 2020. In fact it's voted red since at least 1996 (the stats are only given 2000-onward, though I think it's safe to assume Boise went non-forum red in 1996), and with double-digit margins in 2000, 2004 and 2012.

Also surprisingly, Springfield votes red too. It went red in 2000, 2004, 2012, 2016 and 2020, only voting blue in 2008, although Romney in 2012 (and Trump in 2016 and 2020) won by single-digit margins.

Not at all surprisingly, Charleston is quite Republican. It last went Democratic in 2000 and gave Romney and Trump (twice) double-digit margins.

As for the others, you're right about the cities you guessed went for Romney - Carson City backed him, as did Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre and Jefferson City. In fact, all those cities, with the exception of Carson City, supported Romney by double digits.


For Obama, you're completely incorrect (no offense meant) - all of the ones you predicted went for him actually went for Romney.
Salem went for Romney by single digits; SLC, as I suspected, went for him by double digits (I told you he won it because muh Mormonism and overperformance in North UT); and Lincoln went red by single digits. Very surprisingly, Phoenix went for Romney by single digits too (I thought it would be safe Democratic), and so did Helena and Topeka (less surprising). Annapolis, pretty surprisingly, gave Romney a win as well.

Go home... and don't bet on bestplaces.com

Out of your element Donny, although again I strongly suspect you are being frivolous in the extreme or "taking a Mickey" (Once again to use another British term).  

No, I genuinely considered it a reliable site. Though in retrospect I considered it kind of suspect that Phoenix went for Romney.

Fair enough... you seem like a nice person and apologies if I might have come across as a bit sarcastic (Which was not my intent).

There are a decent number of posters on Atlas, many of whom have been posting here for years who have been collecting and dissecting precinct results and in many cases consolidating to the municipal level.

For example, I first started collecting and analyzing precinct results for Oregon shortly after the 1988 General Election and combined that data with precinct maps which I could obtain, coded precincts by place, etc... way back when I was in High School in the late '80s / early '90s.

In many cases it might easily take an hour or two for larger and more complicated cities to crunch and code precinct data, since frequently municipal boundaries changes, split-precincts emerge, etc, so naturally when individuals question that based upon sources which are dubious at best, without providing legitimate arguments based upon their own analysis or credible alternative sources, it makes it look like I am pulling numbers from thin air.

I will not go through the exercise of attempting to analyze bestplaces.net source data (Unless I am looking at real estate value etc....), but what I do suspect is that any election data they are crunching is more to do with a "Metro Area" type numbers vs City / Municipal Level data.

If you are interested further in information regarding where to obtain official precinct data, how to crunch and code county / state precinct data into municipal numbers more than happy to provide tips.

You can always PM me if you don't want to post on this thread....

It's pretty cool that you are very interested in detailed 2012 election results and breakdowns by place so no hard feelings on my end at all, and might continue to take a look at a few of the other cities on the list (time permitting) since it's overall a bit slow in terms of other election data these days.

[NOVA Green]

So far it looks like of the capitals in counties Romney won;

Obama won Salem, Salt Lake City, Phoenix, Helena, Lincoln, Topeka, and Annapolis or at least I think it safe to assume he won these even if they were close.

Charleston, Boise, and Springfield still seem unclear to any clarification would be great.

It looks like Romney won Carson City, Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre, and Jefferson City, so he won anywhere between 5-8 state capitals.

Thanks to https://www.bestplaces.net/, I can tell you definitively how these cities went in 2012.

Somewhat surprisingly, Boise went Republican in 2020. In fact it's voted red since at least 1996 (the stats are only given 2000-onward, though I think it's safe to assume Boise went non-forum red in 1996), and with double-digit margins in 2000, 2004 and 2012.

Also surprisingly, Springfield votes red too. It went red in 2000, 2004, 2012, 2016 and 2020, only voting blue in 2008, although Romney in 2012 (and Trump in 2016 and 2020) won by single-digit margins.

Not at all surprisingly, Charleston is quite Republican. It last went Democratic in 2000 and gave Romney and Trump (twice) double-digit margins.

As for the others, you're right about the cities you guessed went for Romney - Carson City backed him, as did Cheyenne, Bismarck, Pierre and Jefferson City. In fact, all those cities, with the exception of Carson City, supported Romney by double digits.


For Obama, you're completely incorrect (no offense meant) - all of the ones you predicted went for him actually went for Romney.
Salem went for Romney by single digits; SLC, as I suspected, went for him by double digits (I told you he won it because muh Mormonism and overperformance in North UT); and Lincoln went red by single digits. Very surprisingly, Phoenix went for Romney by single digits too (I thought it would be safe Democratic), and so did Helena and Topeka (less surprising). Annapolis, pretty surprisingly, gave Romney a win as well.

Go home... and don't bet on bestplaces.com

Out of your element Donny, although again I strongly suspect you are being frivolous in the extreme or "taking a Mickey" (Once again to use another British term).  

No, I genuinely considered it a reliable site. Though in retrospect I considered it kind of suspect that Phoenix went for Romney.

Fair enough... you seem like a nice person and apologies if I might have come across as a bit sarcastic (Which was not my intent).

There are a decent number of posters on Atlas, many of whom have been posting here for years who have been collecting and dissecting precinct results and in many cases consolidating to the municipal level.

For example, I first started collecting and analyzing precinct results for Oregon shortly after the 1988 General Election and combined that data with precinct maps which I could obtain, coded precincts by place, etc... way back when I was in High School in the late '80s / early '90s.

In many cases it might easily take an hour or two for larger and more complicated cities to crunch and code precinct data, since frequently municipal boundaries changes, split-precincts emerge, etc, so naturally when individuals question that based upon sources which are dubious at best, without providing legitimate arguments based upon their own analysis or credible alternative sources, it makes it look like I am pulling numbers from thin air.

I will not go through the exercise of attempting to analyze bestplaces.net source data (Unless I am looking at real estate value etc....), but what I do suspect is that any election data they are crunching is more to do with a "Metro Area" type numbers vs City / Municipal Level data.

If you are interested further in information regarding where to obtain official precinct data, how to crunch and code county / state precinct data into municipal numbers more than happy to provide tips.

You can always PM me if you don't want to post on this thread....

It's pretty cool that you are very interested in detailed 2012 election results and breakdowns by place so no hard feelings on my end at all, and might continue to take a look at a few of the other cities on the list (time permitting) since it's overall a bit slow in terms of other election data these days.

No, it's fine...I'm not that interested in city data or anything, it's just that I by chance came across I site where they were showing city results and thought of this thread and some of the unresolved cities on it. But I'm not that interested or anything in how the cities voted; you can put more data if you or others want it, but I don't really mind if you don't put any more data.

Totally cool CentristRepublican...

Pretty sure I've posted links to sites on Atlas in my posting career over the years and excited to share only to find out they weren't the "data gold mine" I thought they were and other posters challenged me on my sources.