Atlas U.S. Presidential Elections Master Thread

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Bolded candidates won

How I'd have voted in ones I missed:

1789: George Washington/John Adams
1792: George Washington/John Adams
1796: John Adams/Alexander Hamilton (Adams was elected VP)
1800: John Adams/Thomas Jefferson (Adams was elected VP)
1804: Thomas Jefferson/George Clinton
1808: James Madison/John Langdon
1812: DeWitt Clinton/Albert Gallatin
1816: Rufus King/John Howard
1820: DeWitt Clinton/Stephen Bradley
1824: John Quincy Adams/John C. Calhoun (They'd be like a Hamilton/Burr ticket )
1828: Henry Clay/Richard Rush (I would vote for just about anyone over Jackson/Calhoun)
1832: Henry Clay/John Sergeant
1836: Daniel Webster/Francis P. Granger
1840: Daniel Webster/Francis P. Granger
1844: James Birney/Thomas Morris
1848: Charles Francis Adams/John P. Hale (probably the best Atlamerican President ever)
1852: Charles Francis Adams/John P. Hale
1856: William H. Seward/Abraham Lincoln

When I actually started voting:

1860: Abraham Lincoln/John Fremont
1864: Abraham Lincoln/Hannibal Hamlin
1868: Rueben Fenton/Schuyler Colfax
1872: Salomon Chase/Benjamin Brown
1876: Benjamin Bristow/William Wheeler
1880: James Weaver/Benjamin Butler
1884: Benjamin Butler/David Davis
1888: Alson Streeter/Charles Cunningham
1892: James Weaver/James Kyle
1896: James Weaver/Thomas Watson (Really wish Watson wasn't VP)
1900: William Jennings Bryan/Ignatius Donnelly (We'd have found Atlantis by now if they'd won )
1904: William Allen/Samuel Williams (Tried in vain to keep the Populists alive, should've voted Debs)
1908: Robert LaFollette/Albert Cummins
1912: Oscar Underwood/James "Champ" Clark (Underwood would've been an awesome President)
1916: James "Champ" Clark/Thomas Marshall (Annoyed about primary sabotage)
1920: Thomas Marshall/Alfred E. Smith
1924: Alfred E. Smith/Oscar Underwood (Only because Underwood was the VP nominee)
1928: Alfred E. Smith/Joseph Robinson (Only because I don't like Norman Thomas)
1932: Alfred E. Smith/Joseph Robinson (Only because I don't like Norman Thomas)
1936: FDR/John Nance Garner
1940: FDR/Burton K. Wheeler
1944: FDR/Harry S. Truman
1948: Harry S. Truman/William Douglas (I wanted to vote Sinclair, but he always ran against people I really like: FDR, Truman, and Kefauver)
1952: Estes Kefauver/Adlai Stevenson II
1956: Estes Kefauver/Hubert Humphrey
1960: Hubert Humphrey/Lyndon Johnson (One of my worst votes)
1964: Unpledged Electors: William Fulbright/George C. Wallace (I wanted a Ralph Yarborough/Wayne Morse slate of pro-Civil Rights unpledged electors, since Johnson is a segregationist in this TL)
1968: George McGovern/Wayne Morse
1972: George McGovern/Wayne Morse
1976: Frank Church/Birch Bayh
1980: Frank Church/Birch Bayh
1984: Birch Bayh/Mario Cuomo
1988: Birch Bayh/Mario Cuomo
1992: Mario Cuomo/Al Gore
1996: Mario Cuomo/Jerry Brown
2000: Paul Wellstone/Russ Feingold
2004: Russ Feingold/Howard Dean
2008: Mike Gravel/Gary Johnson
2012: Rocky Anderson/Luis Rodriguez
2016: Brian Schweitzer/Elizabeth Warren

I want to thank Cathdawg again for all the hard work he has put into this and for doing such a great job running it.  It has been a lot of fun and I appreciate it, Cath

[Antonio the Sixth]

I did not get fully involved into this until the second half of the 19th Century, so I'll start there:

1876: Tilden
1880: Weaver
1884: Butler
1888: Streeter
1892: Weaver
1896: Weaver
1900: Bryan
1904: Rooselevt
1908: LaFollette
1912: LaFollette
1916: Roosevelt
1920: Debs
1924: Debs
1928: Stedman
1932: Thomas
1936: Thomas
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Sinclair
1952: Sinclair
1956: Kefauver

I've been quite successful so far. Let's keep it going with Kefauver!

[OAM]

A rather strange list if I do say so myself....

1789:  General George Washington (I-VA)/U.S. Secretary of Foreign Affairs John Jay (F-NY)
1792:  General George Washington (I-VA)/Governor George Clinton (DR-NY)
1796:  *
1800: **
1804: Former U.S. Minister to France Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (Federalist-South Carolina)
1808:  Former U.S. Minister to France Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (F-SC)
1812:  Former U.S. Minister to France Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (F-SC)
1816:  Former Vice President Rufus King (F-NY)
1820:  President DeWitt Clinton (I-NY)
1824:  Speaker of the US. House of Representatives Henry Clay (DR-KY)
1828:  President Henry Clay (NR-NY)
1832:  President Henry Clay (NR-NY)
1836:  Senator Daniel Webster (NR-MA)
1840:  Senator Daniel Webster (NR-MA)
1844:  Former President Henry Clay (NR-KY)
1848:  Former State Senator Charles Francis Adams (FS-MA)
1852:  President Charles Francis Adams (FS-MA)
1856:  Senator William H. Seward (R-NY)
1860:  Vice President Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
1864:  President Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
1868:  Former Governor Reubon E. Fenton (R-NY)
1872:  Activist Victoria Woodhull (ER-OH)
1876:  Governor Samuel J. Tilden (D-NY)
1880:  President Samuel J. Tilden (D-NY)
1884:  Senator George F. Edmunds (R-VT)
1888:  Former Vice President Frederick Douglass (R-NY)
1892:  Former President S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY)
1896:  Senator William Freeman Vilas (GD-WI)
1900:  Senator William McKinley (R-OH)
1904:  Mr. Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)
1908:  Mr. Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)
1912:  Mr. Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)
1916:  Party Chairman James Hudson Maurer (S-PA)
1920:  Mr. Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)
1924:  President Eugene V. Debs (S-IN)
1928:  President Seymour Stedman (S-IL)
1932:  Former Mayor Norman Thomas (S-NY)
1936:  Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
1940:  President Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
1944:  President Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
1948:  Former Governor Upton Sinclair (S-CA)
1952:  General Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY)
1956:  General Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-NY)


* Was apparently absent, would have picked Hamilton and Clinton
** Was apparently absent, would have picked Pinckney and Jay

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Alfred Ranks The Presidents So Far, in which Alfred ranks the Presidents based vaguely on ideology and kinda on party affiliation and sort of throws the early ones in there because he's not an expert on early Atlamerican history, dammit!

Teddy Roosevelt's two things count as one Presidency, and Ike isn't included.

1. Charles Francis Adams (Atlamerican Lincoln, but better 'cause he got Texas too)
2. Eugene Debs (This one was veeeeeeeeeeeery tough between him and Woodhull)
3. Victoria Woodhull (See above)
4. Franklin Roosevelt (Not as cool without the New Deal, but he still won WWII)
5. Thomas Jefferson (Cool dude)
6. Theodore Roosevelt (Badass, and also he won WWI in this thing)
7. Henry Clay (Uh...national bank? As stated above, I'm not up on my pre-Van Buren prezzies)
8. William Seward (Reconstruction)
9. George Washington (Blah blah blah father of our country blah blah blah)
10. DeWitt Clinton (See Henry Clay, and he also made the Erie Canal)
11. James Weaver (Populist!)
12. Upton Sinclair (Cool dude, and he fought the Korean War and did some other stuff too)
13. George McGovern (Cool dude, and he ended the 'Nam)
14. Dwight Eisenhower (Cool dude)
15. Robert La Follette (Like TR, but less WWI-y and badass)
16. Frederick Douglass (He's black, so he gets bumped up, but all he did was fight the KKK)

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17. Frank Church (Good times in general, but I don't think he did much that was memorable, unless I'm mistaken)
18. Abraham Lincoln (He's Lincoln, so he gets bumped up, but all he did was end Reconstruction)
19. Reuben Fenton (Like F-Doug, but not as black)
20. Daniel Webster (Meh)
21. Martin Van Buren (Meh, preceding the Civil War associates him with Buchanan and Pierce in my mind)
22. William McKinley (Meh, fought the Spanish-American war)
23. Margaret Chase Smith (Meh, fought Vietnam)

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24. Samuel Tilden (He was a Democrat in the 1870s)
25. Seymour Stedman (Didn't do much)
26. George Norris (Same as Stedman)
27. Grover Cleveland (See Tilden, and also he's idolized by internet libertarians)
28. Norman Thomas (See Stedman, but he didn't have the excuse of not having a full term)
29. Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (The Buchanan of the War of 1812)
30. Al Smith (Horribly right-wing, didn't do anything about the Dust Bowl, tried to end Debs' Real Deal)

Feel free to add constructive criticism and educate me further on these men and women, so that I may better rank them.

[Donerail]

Wasn't Norris anti-league?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Wasn't Norris anti-league?

Not that sure. I just assumed he did it because of the whole after WWI thing.

[Kitteh]

Wasn't Norris anti-league?

Not that sure. I just assumed he did it because of the whole after WWI thing.

Norris was a massive isolationist, I assume he didn't even try.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Edited.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Bump

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Bump. I added Chase and Eisenhower to my rankings, since their terms are over, and I divided them roughly into good, meh, and bad.

[Goldwater]

An update to my voting record, this time doing an "Honest Elections" version, like Cathcon.

1789: George Washington and John Adams
1792: George Washington and John Adams
1796: John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
1800: Thomas Jefferson and John Jay
1804: Thomas Jefferson
1808: James Madison
1812: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
1816: Rufus King
1820: John Quincy Adams
1824: Andrew Jackson
1828: Andrew Jackson
1832: Andrew Jackson
1836: Martin Van Buren
1840: James G. Birney
1844: ames G. Birney
1848: Charles Francis Adams
1852: Charles Francis Adams
1856: William H. Seward
1860: Abraham Lincoln
1864: Abraham Lincoln
1868: Salmon P. Chase
1872: Charles O'Conor
1876: Samuel J. Tilden
1880: Samuel J. Tilden
1884: Grover Cleveland
1888: Grover Cleveland
1892: Grover Cleveland
1896: William Freeman Vilas
1900: William McKinley
1904: George Gray
1908: John A. Johnson
1912: Theodore Roosevelt
1916: Theodore Roosevelt
1920: Leonard Wood
1924: Calvin Coolidge
1928: Alfred E. Smith
1932: Alfred E. Smith
1936: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1944: Franklin D. Roosevelt
1948: Harry S. Truman
1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1960: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1964: Margaret Chase Smith

[Supersonic]

For the elections I've voted in:

1789: George Washington and John Jay
1792: George Washington and John Adams
1796: John Adams and John Jay
1800: John Adams and John Jay
1804: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
1808: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
1812: Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
1816-1856: Didn't vote.
1860: Abraham Lincoln
1864: Abraham Lincoln
1868: Salmon P. Chase
1872: Charles O'Conor
1876: Samuel J. Tilden
1880: Samuel J. Tilden
1884: Grover Cleveland
1888: Grover Cleveland
1892: Grover Cleveland
1896: William Freeman Vilas
1900: William McKinley
1904: Theodore Roosevelt
1908: Robert La Follette
1912: Theodore Roosevelt
1916: Theodore Roosevelt
1920: Leonard Wood
1924: Calvin Coolidge
1928: Herbert Hoover
1932: Calvin Coolidge
1936-1948: Didn't vote
1952: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1956: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1960: Dwight D. Eisenhower
1964: Margaret Chase Smith
1968: George Romney
1972: Pete McCloskey

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

What's this "Honest Elections" thing?

[Goldwater]

What's this "Honest Elections" thing?

It's how you would have voted if it were an actual election, rather than how you actually voted. For example, in 1948 I voted for Thurmond for the lulz, but if it were an actual election I would have voted for Truman.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I did not get fully involved into this until the second half of the 19th Century, so I'll start there:

1876: Tilden
1880: Weaver
1884: Butler
1888: Streeter
1892: Weaver
1896: Weaver
1900: Bryan
1904: Rooselevt
1908: LaFollette
1912: LaFollette
1916: Roosevelt
1920: Debs
1924: Debs
1928: Stedman
1932: Thomas
1936: Thomas
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Sinclair
1952: Sinclair
1956: Kefauver

I've been quite successful so far. Let's keep it going with Kefauver!

1960: Humphrey
1964: Johnson

The past 3 elections have been cruel.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I did not get fully involved into this until the second half of the 19th Century, so I'll start there:

1876: Tilden
1880: Weaver
1884: Butler
1888: Streeter
1892: Weaver
1896: Weaver
1900: Bryan
1904: Rooselevt
1908: LaFollette
1912: LaFollette
1916: Roosevelt
1920: Debs
1924: Debs
1928: Stedman
1932: Thomas
1936: Thomas
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Sinclair
1952: Sinclair
1956: Kefauver

I've been quite successful so far. Let's keep it going with Kefauver!

1960: Humphrey
1964: Johnson

The past 3 elections have been cruel.

The last time we had three bad elections in a row was 1876-1880-1884 (Tilden and Cleveland). Which was, interestingly enough, also a scenario where the good party came close to winning almost all three times (except in 1876 and 1956 - seeing a pattern?), but was hindered by a third party (Republicans stopping Populists/Greenbacks/Whatever in 1880 and 1884, Unpledged Electors stopping Democrats in 1960 and 1964).

[OAM]

I did not get fully involved into this until the second half of the 19th Century, so I'll start there:

1876: Tilden
1880: Weaver
1884: Butler
1888: Streeter
1892: Weaver
1896: Weaver
1900: Bryan
1904: Rooselevt
1908: LaFollette
1912: LaFollette
1916: Roosevelt
1920: Debs
1924: Debs
1928: Stedman
1932: Thomas
1936: Thomas
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Sinclair
1952: Sinclair
1956: Kefauver

I've been quite successful so far. Let's keep it going with Kefauver!

1960: Humphrey
1964: Johnson

The past 3 elections have been cruel.

The last time we had three bad elections in a row was 1876-1880-1884 (Tilden and Cleveland). Which was, interestingly enough, also a scenario where the good party came close to winning almost all three times (except in 1876 and 1956 - seeing a pattern?), but was hindered by a third party (Republicans stopping Populists/Greenbacks/Whatever in 1880 and 1884, Unpledged Electors stopping Democrats in 1960 and 1964).

More like there had to be a tough rallying cry again those with insufficient historical knowledge. 

Frankly, I'm surprised by the utter lack of outreach in both cases.  Politics doesn't work by forcing your candidate through.  Siren and I typically talk before hand and vote in a block, and with how close these and those elections were, we could have swung it back for you guys, but were put off by, for lack of a better term, the "bad attitude" that seemed to be floating around.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Here's a map of where the presidents are from, shaded by how many the state produced. New York had too many presidents to use just the green shades, so I'm using red as the next level:

We have literally run out of red shades. The presidents from New York have used up two entire color gradients - no more!

[OAM]

Can't remembe rif I've said it in this thread or not before, but I've always thought it was a fluke OTL didn't have more NY presidents.  For the largest state for the majority of the nation's history, it's a bit under represented.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Here's a map of presidents' home states by party:

Dems:

Reps:

Socialists:

All others (Dem Reps, Nat Reps, etc.):

[OAM]

Change the coding of those states, first number, to 5.  That's orange.  7 works too I think.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Only one alliterative ticket has ever won: Weaver/Watson in 1896. Not sure about losing tickets, though.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Change the coding of those states, first number, to 5.  That's orange.  7 works too I think.

Thanks!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Here's a map of presidents' home states by party:

Dems:

ROFL

[Goldwater]

Here's a map of presidents' home states by party:

Dems:

ROFL

So now you know how to win an election. Just nominate someone from New York.