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« on: October 08, 2012, 09:21:41 AM »



Romney looks to have finally gotten traction in Ohio and New Hampshire. 
Wisconsin and Colorado appear to be Toss ups.  We need new/more polling in Iowa. 

If you 'give' Iowa to Obama the race stands as 270-249 Romney today.   
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 09:29:31 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 09:30:01 AM »

Venezuela just reelected Chavez. This bodes well for Obama because it means it is currently trendy to reelect socialist dictators.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 09:32:11 AM »

From what polling have you gathered this conclusion?
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 09:54:39 AM »

From what polling have you gathered this conclusion?
Everything with a post debate partial/full sample.  Also some internal information on NH, OH, and Wisconsin.   
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 09:56:49 AM »

Also some internal information on NH, OH, and Wisconsin.   

Is the internal info the anonymous tweet from Breitbart?
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 10:07:38 AM »
« Edited: October 08, 2012, 10:10:02 AM by AmericanNation »

Also some internal information on NH, OH, and Wisconsin.  

Is the internal info the anonymous tweet from Breitbart?
No.
Obviously not with Wisconsin.  
NH and Ohio is perhaps related to it (but more trustworthy), however still 'light weight' info.

Also, this 16 point+ lead Romney has with independents needs more attention.   
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 10:11:38 AM »

Sorry, but the real polling data is different:

Iowa: Obama + 2, Rasmussen (after the debate). Due to the fact that Rasmussen has a Repub. lean this probably means Obama + 4 / + 5 is correct...

Ohio: Obama + 1, Rasmussen (after the debate)...

Virginia: Obama + 3, PPP (after the debate)....

And no chance in hell Florida is "lean Romney" as indicated in your map. Florida is (as always) still a swing state...
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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 10:13:07 AM »

No. The debate effect has worn off, even Rasmussen shows Obama doing better already. Romney's best polling day was Friday and then it all leveled off.

So, the answer would be, no.
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 10:16:07 AM »

Also, this 16 point+ lead Romney has with independents needs more attention.   

Yes, Independent identity has gone up while Dem identity has been stable and Republican identity has dropped.
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 10:17:05 AM »

No
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« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2012, 10:18:29 AM »

No. The debate effect has worn off, even Rasmussen shows Obama doing better already. Romney's best polling day was Friday and then it all leveled off.

So, the answer would be, no.
So you're saying he was on Friday and now isn't?   
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 10:21:28 AM »

We don't have enough evidence to say how he was doing on Friday in various states. And the opportunity to measure his high-water mark is gone.
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2012, 10:21:49 AM »

Internal polling usually has some agenda and is valuable at most as corroboration or in the absence of other, more reliable polls. If someone gives me an insider poll for Idaho or DC I just might use it because the results are unlikely to cause controversy. I do not use polls from or for advocacy groups, unions, ethnic associations, or candidacies.

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2012, 10:22:45 AM »


So you're saying he was on Friday and now isn't?   

No, because even Rasmussen had Obama at +1 in Ohio, so even at the peak of the debate effect, Romney wasn't at 270. Now that the effect has leveled off, the race is closer to where it was pre-debate.
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2012, 12:19:19 PM »

No, AmNat, he's not sitting on 270, he's sitting on 235, and Obama's only sitting on 247.  Romney's knocked back Obama's electoral advantage significantly, and has a very good chance of winning most, or even all, of those tossup states.

Actually I consider this map pretty generous to Romney at the present moment, but it is certainly more accurate than your map:

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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2012, 12:23:33 PM »



Obama still has 272. Sorry.
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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2012, 12:41:24 PM »

Venezuela just reelected Chavez. This bodes well for Obama because it means it is currently trendy to reelect socialist dictators.

Do you even understand the definition of "dictator"?
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« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2012, 12:51:10 PM »

Venezuela just reelected Chavez. This bodes well for Obama because it means it is currently trendy to reelect socialist dictators.

Do you even understand the definition of "dictator"?

Someone who decides, and as Bush so eloquently put it, the president is "the decider".  Or are you one of those deluded fools who thinks there is a significant difference between Bush and Obama?
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2012, 12:51:51 PM »

No...Rasmussen still has Obama ahead by 1 there, and they're a GOP pollster
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2012, 01:04:10 PM »

No.. Obama is still favored. It will be up to Mittens as to whether he can successfully seize the momentum currently on his side.
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2012, 01:08:26 PM »

Typical GOP hack. Gotta love giving Romney VA, OH, NH based on zero evidence whatsoever.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2012, 01:10:01 PM »

Mitt isn't even leading in CO after the debate, so why should we put OH in his column?
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2012, 01:41:41 PM »

Mitt isn't even leading in CO after the debate, so why should we put OH in his column?

CO is more left-leaning than OH.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2012, 01:43:46 PM »

Mitt isn't even leading in CO after the debate, so why should we put OH in his column?

CO is more left-leaning than OH.

Polling wise it has been the most friendliest to Romney.
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