Any other Republicans who are about ready to throw in the towel?

[5280]

I could give two hoots about social issues right now, the debate needs to be focused on leadership and fiscal policies.

The thing is, if you watched both conventions, one party seemed to be primarily focused on fiscal issues and the other included more social issue rhetoric. And the candidate whose party chose to focus on fiscal issues is losing. Maybe it's a coincidence, but perhaps there is something else there: the main criticism of Mitt Romney is that he isn't seen as empathetic, rather as cold an indifferent. Perhaps more discussion of social issues would have soften his image some?

Maybe, but if they did that then its going to be a big distraction and open more can of worms.  That's not going to help Romney's campaign image at all.

I remember Paul Ryan talking about leaving it up to the state to deal with marijuana issues.  In CO, we have amendement 64, which legalizes marijuana for recreational use and lets people grow up to 6 plants. Half of the GOP is not totally sold on this idea.

http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/s/regulate-marijuana-alcohol-act-2012

That's the only thing socially I'm interested right now.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I could give two hoots about social issues right now, the debate needs to be focused on leadership and fiscal policies.

The thing is, if you watched both conventions, one party seemed to be primarily focused on fiscal issues and the other included more social issue rhetoric. And the candidate whose party chose to focus on fiscal issues is losing. Maybe it's a coincidence, but perhaps there is something else there: the main criticism of Mitt Romney is that he isn't seen as empathetic, rather as cold an indifferent. Perhaps more discussion of social issues would have soften his image some?

The "focus" on fiscal issues was pretty blurred.  For all that time the GOP convention brought out the fiscal rhetoric, Clinton spent more time trying to specify the GOP economic platform in his speech than the Republicans did for themselves in their whole convention.

[Chaddyr23]

The partisan hack in me is secretly loving this. My Republican roommate is pretty despondent and now spends long nights watching Fox News to make things better. So, he's thrown in the towel already.
However, there's more than ample time for Romney and the Repubs to make things competitive again so dont throw in the towel just yet.

[nhmagic]

Don't throw in the towel - that's what democrats do.  The telltale sign of democrats worry is when they begin to throw Obama under the bus.  That hasn't happened yet, but most certainly will if he looks like he'll lose - they'll want to save the ideology (socialism).

I wouldn't worry about some establishment squishes getting cold feet.  The only reason those guys get worried is when conservatism begins being articulated, as is being done, albeit by an imperfect messenger.  The USA/Gallup poll shows a 16 pt enthusiasm advantage on our side.  We are winning independents by a vast margin (13/63 approve disapprove of the president).  The president's approval is below the number it needs to be historically to be re-elected.  A portion of Obama's democratic support is still extremely soft.  Think about those things.

If there were any election that the polls would be wrong it would be this one.  People don't want to admit that they are not voting for Obama, it's not the popular thing for them to do in some places.  Only 9% of people contacted by polling companies respond and this number continues to dwindle downward as time goes on.

Also, take solace in the absentee/early ballots being returned in Ohio and North Carolina.  We are performing magnificently regardless of the spin that "its not reliable because it registers people based upon the last election the voted in".  They never said that in 2008 - the story was that more democrats were voting early/absentee than republicans and it was because of Obama.

Finally, as one other poster said, remember what will happen to this country if Obama is reelected.  It will be destroyed and will change people into something they are not.  Though our liberal opponents on this board will go fanatic as that point is mentioned, remember that despite their lunacy, they will be affected too by what Obama does to the country, and will be just as miserable when the change occurs.  We don't want that misery on anyone - to watch a family member die from not recieving care as fast as they would have if Obamacare weren't around, to watch personal incomes shrink and dwindle as prices of food, gas and utilities continue to skyrocket, to see Americans be less bold and more fearful than they ever were, to be watched constantly by an uncaring and oppressive state, and to see the ultimate collaspe of this country through a debt-induced depression as our enemies abroad (Russia and China) take advantage of it and attack.

It's all summed up by the following words of wisdom:
"And what rough beast, its hour come at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Don't throw in the towel - that's what democrats do.  The telltale sign of democrats worry is when they begin to throw Obama under the bus.  That hasn't happened yet, but most certainly will if he looks like he'll lose - they'll want to save the ideology (socialism).
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You're not stupid, don't say stupid things... you've got a lot of info wrong in there... but that doesn't matter.

On topic, Romney can still win this, as much as it pains me to say, so giving up at this point is kind of silly...

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What does "throwing in the towel" achieve?

It lets the GOP concentrate on saving the House and their dim hopes of retaking the Senate.

Also, there are few things better than a toasty warm towel fresh from the washer and dryer.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Man, great choice for a Republican nominee, eh? Weren't we all told that Romney was going to wipe the floor with Obama?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Are there any Republicans other than me who are almost ready to give up on this campaign?  The polls are not looking good, and considering that the debates don't usually change much of anything, I don't see how Romney does it.  What say the rest of you?

As an Obama supporter, I wouldn't say it's over.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I don't know about you, but my healthcare plans have gotten worse each year after Obamacare passed...

I don't think people should throw the towel just yet.  1 month remaining, and anything can happen which is a long time in politics. You have to think about what a 2nd Obama term would do, and how much more devasting the US will become by 2016 if Obama is re-elected, god forbid.  The lack of confidence in Romney supporters depresses me.

I appreciate you invoking your deity to prevent us from having an economic recovery and better health care.

[Averroës Nix]

Remember what will happen to this country if Obama is reelected.  It will be destroyed and will change people into something they are not.  Though our liberal opponents on this board will go fanatic as that point is mentioned, remember that despite their lunacy, they will be affected too by what Obama does to the country, and will be just as miserable when the change occurs.  We don't want that misery on anyone - to watch a family member die from not recieving care as fast as they would have if Obamacare weren't around, to watch personal incomes shrink and dwindle as prices of food, gas and utilities continue to skyrocket, to see Americans be less bold and more fearful than they ever were, to be watched constantly by an uncaring and oppressive state, and to see the ultimate collaspe of this country through a debt-induced depression as our enemies abroad (Russia and China) take advantage of it and attack.

It's all summed up by the following words of wisdom:
"And what rough beast, its hour come at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"

[Hoverbored123]

Despite all the gloom and doom being bandied about, I'm far from ready to throw in the towel at this point.  There's good reason to doubt the accuracy of some of these polls, considering the way many of them are sampled.  This isn't to say Romney is ahead, but this race is still competitive.  I'd wait for the results of the first debate before making any further judgements. 

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Has nhmagic ever actually read an exegesis of 'The Second Coming'?

[5280]

The United States after Obama is done in 2017. I take it with a grain of salt though.

[後援会]

It's too early to "throw in the towel" (where the heck is that metaphor from?). Anyways, most people expect the polls to narrow a bit. And even though Obama's still fairly favored, he doesn't have a lead too insurmountable for say, an October sell-off to give Romney a decent fighting chance.

Has nhmagic ever actually read an exegesis of 'The Second Coming'?

Campaigns fall apart. The center-right cannot hold! What rough beast slouches towards DC to be reelected?

[Politico]

It's too early to "throw in the towel" (where the heck is that metaphor from?)

Boxing. Popularized by the movie equivalent of McCain/Obama 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NTUmrOfyUA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I much prefer the movie version of Romney/Obama 2012:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0HvsM8qzHU

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I could give two hoots about social issues right now, the debate needs to be focused on leadership and fiscal policies.

The thing is, if you watched both conventions, one party seemed to be primarily focused on fiscal issues and the other included more social issue rhetoric. And the candidate whose party chose to focus on fiscal issues is losing. Maybe it's a coincidence, but perhaps there is something else there: the main criticism of Mitt Romney is that he isn't seen as empathetic, rather as cold an indifferent. Perhaps more discussion of social issues would have soften his image some?

Social issues are death for Republicans where it matters most: moderates.  That's why they've voted overwhelmingly Democratic since the Clinton realignment in 1992.

[Lief 🗽]

Things that Republicans call social issues (like the birth control mandate) are only social issues for a small sliver of religious conservatives. For most women, the birth control mandate is as basic a fiscal issue as you can get.

[nhmagic]

Has nhmagic ever actually read an exegesis of 'The Second Coming'?

Of course, and now to think of it, I've also probably written one in college.  It's one of my favorite literary works and he's one of my favorite poets aside from Emily Dickinson.  Also, my favorite of her poems carries the Gilligan's Island tune, not purposefully of course. 

What I surmise you are insinuating is that I am using an incorrect metaphor because I haven't ever read a critical interpretation of the poem.  The question then becomes: Have you ever read an exegesis of the poem?  If the answer is yes, please grace us with a full interpretation of each line.  If the answer is no, then I assume you are just being acidic and tried to use a "big word" like exegesis just to throw "teh uneducated conservative" a loop.

[garypopkin]

Since Romney cannot win, Republicans should throw their support to Gary Johnson, and get rid of Obama.

[independent-lefty]

Plenty were ready to throw it in when a guy who bragged about being more liberal (on "cultural" issues, of course) than Ted Kennedy was hoisted upon the party.  He was hired to lose; only a Democrat could be entrusted to privatize Social Security with minimal public resistance.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Buy your own damn birth control.

[J. J.]

Two polls today showed a tightening race.  I would not be ready to through in a towel.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Has nhmagic ever actually read an exegesis of 'The Second Coming'?

Of course, and now to think of it, I've also probably written one in college.  It's one of my favorite literary works and he's one of my favorite poets aside from Emily Dickinson.  Also, my favorite of her poems carries the Gilligan's Island tune, not purposefully of course. 

What I surmise you are insinuating is that I am using an incorrect metaphor because I haven't ever read a critical interpretation of the poem.  The question then becomes: Have you ever read an exegesis of the poem?  If the answer is yes, please grace us with a full interpretation of each line.  If the answer is no, then I assume you are just being acidic and tried to use a "big word" like exegesis just to throw "teh uneducated conservative" a loop.

You're not so much misusing it as I was surprised that you'd consider the last line applicable out of context. It's arguably not even the most relevant line in 'The Second Coming' to your understanding of the political situation (I would have gone with 'The ceremony of innocence is drowned', personally). I'd also submit that 'The Second Coming' deals with the collapse of a 'rational', 'liberal' understanding of things rather than its apotheosis, and from Yeats's perspective that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Then again, from your perspective it doesn't seem as if the Obama administration's outlook is particularly rational or liberal.

'Wise' is in any case not the adjective I would use to describe the poem, although I like (or, rather, am perennially intrigued by) it as well.

If memory serves quite a few poems carry the Gilligan's Island tune, since it's common metre. 'Amazing Grace', Wordsworth's 'Lucy Poems', the old English and Scots ballads pretty much by definition, the Pokemon theme song, and so on.

[Insula Dei]

Don't throw in the towel - that's what democrats do.  The telltale sign of democrats worry is when they begin to throw Obama under the bus.  That hasn't happened yet, but most certainly will if he looks like he'll lose - they'll want to save the ideology (socialism).

I wouldn't worry about some establishment squishes getting cold feet.  The only reason those guys get worried is when conservatism begins being articulated, as is being done, albeit by an imperfect messenger.  The USA/Gallup poll shows a 16 pt enthusiasm advantage on our side.  We are winning independents by a vast margin (13/63 approve disapprove of the president).  The president's approval is below the number it needs to be historically to be re-elected.  A portion of Obama's democratic support is still extremely soft.  Think about those things.

If there were any election that the polls would be wrong it would be this one.  People don't want to admit that they are not voting for Obama, it's not the popular thing for them to do in some places.  Only 9% of people contacted by polling companies respond and this number continues to dwindle downward as time goes on.

Also, take solace in the absentee/early ballots being returned in Ohio and North Carolina.  We are performing magnificently regardless of the spin that "its not reliable because it registers people based upon the last election the voted in".  They never said that in 2008 - the story was that more democrats were voting early/absentee than republicans and it was because of Obama.

Finally, as one other poster said, remember what will happen to this country if Obama is reelected.  It will be destroyed and will change people into something they are not.  Though our liberal opponents on this board will go fanatic as that point is mentioned, remember that despite their lunacy, they will be affected too by what Obama does to the country, and will be just as miserable when the change occurs.  We don't want that misery on anyone - to watch a family member die from not recieving care as fast as they would have if Obamacare weren't around, to watch personal incomes shrink and dwindle as prices of food, gas and utilities continue to skyrocket, to see Americans be less bold and more fearful than they ever were, to be watched constantly by an uncaring and oppressive state, and to see the ultimate collaspe of this country through a debt-induced depression as our enemies abroad (Russia and China) take advantage of it and attack.

It's all summed up by the following words of wisdom:
"And what rough beast, its hour come at last, slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?"

Sorry to bump this, but isn't it scary to see just how full of passionate intensity the worst really are?

[LiberalJunkie]

The United States after Obama is done in 2017. I take it with a grain of salt though.

They made a mistake, bush isn't in that picture.