Motion of No Confidence in the Right Hon. Inks

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I thought Phil was just being Phil. 

that moderators can make personal attacks.

Again, it's not a personal attack.  It's true.  It is a PROVEN fact that you overreact to things (the Tinypic incident being a prime example, where you not only overreacted, but you, yet again, ignored the facts of the situation).

Facts and opinions, Inks. You clearly don't understand the difference. In your opinion, you thought I was overreacting to The Institute locking! See how that blew up in your face?

Phil, you told argued with me that someone had hacked your Tinypic link AFTER I informed you that Tinypic themselves said what you were describing was impossible.  I'm sorry, but that is an overreaction, and any rational, logical person would agree with me.  You have a history of doing stuff like this.

And I was overreacting about The Institute, right? Did you not tell me to "stop whining and create a new one?"

I've already said I THOUGHT that you were.

Yeah, so much for your facts.

Phil, my use of the word "fact" here quite clearly (again, you're either missing the basic comprehension of what I'm saying or purposefully twisting my words to troll) referred not to this isntance, but your OVERALL tendency to overreact to things (i.e. Tinypic).

[Keystone Phil]

See, here's the thing with your comprehension skills, Inks: the word "tendency" suggests a pattern. You keep referring to one case and think that makes it a fact.

You overreacted with The Institute. You now have a tendency to overreact. See how we can both play this game?

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I refer to one case because it's the most recent.  If you'd like a more comprehensive list, here you go:

And more moderator bias.
I want to complain!
I'm a trouble maker?
It's already started again!
Xahar is back and already starting.
Don't use the "M" word!
Now my signature was hacked.
Time to warn Alcon.
So what do we do when a moderator refuses to do their job?
I've been infracted for calling Torie a genius. For reals.
Really, guys?
More things not allowed on the Forum!
Twelve points away from "Moderator Review."

Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate.  But do you notice a pattern?  You air your complaints and drama publicly, usually starting off in a complaining manner (just look at your use of exclamation points), and overreacting to situations that most of the forum would never start a thread over.

And these examples are just from ONE board.

[Keystone Phil]

I refer to one case because it's the most recent.  If you'd like a more comprehensive list, here you go:

And more moderator bias.
I want to complain!
I'm a trouble maker?
It's already started again!
Xahar is back and already starting.
Don't use the "M" word!
Now my signature was hacked.
Time to warn Alcon.
So what do we do when a moderator refuses to do their job?
I've been infracted for calling Torie a genius. For reals.
Really, guys?
More things not allowed on the Forum!
Twelve points away from "Moderator Review."

Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate.  But do you notice a pattern?  You air your complaints and drama publicly, usually starting off in a complaining manner (just look at your use of exclamation points), and overreacting to situations that most of the forum would never start a thread over.

And these examples are just from ONE board.

"Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate..." So how the hell am I overreacting? 

So your point fails. And yes, on the Atlas board, people have to air their complaints publicly. That's how this works, Inks especially when moderators choose to ignore concerns.

[AndrewTX]

Christ, are you two still going at it? Both of you just need to get a room, it's done with already.

[Keystone Phil]

Christ, are you two still going at it? Both of you just need to get a room, it's done with already.

I won the battle, of course. We all agree on that. It's about removing him as moderator now because of an incredibly inappropriate act.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

I refer to one case because it's the most recent.  If you'd like a more comprehensive list, here you go:

And more moderator bias.
I want to complain!
I'm a trouble maker?
It's already started again!
Xahar is back and already starting.
Don't use the "M" word!
Now my signature was hacked.
Time to warn Alcon.
So what do we do when a moderator refuses to do their job?
I've been infracted for calling Torie a genius. For reals.
Really, guys?
More things not allowed on the Forum!
Twelve points away from "Moderator Review."

Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate.  But do you notice a pattern?  You air your complaints and drama publicly, usually starting off in a complaining manner (just look at your use of exclamation points), and overreacting to situations that most of the forum would never start a thread over.

And these examples are just from ONE board.

"Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate..." So how the hell am I overreacting? 

So your point fails. And yes, on the Atlas board, people have to air their complaints publicly. That's how this works, Inks especially when moderators choose to ignore concerns.

Some ≠ all.

[Keystone Phil]

I refer to one case because it's the most recent.  If you'd like a more comprehensive list, here you go:

And more moderator bias.
I want to complain!
I'm a trouble maker?
It's already started again!
Xahar is back and already starting.
Don't use the "M" word!
Now my signature was hacked.
Time to warn Alcon.
So what do we do when a moderator refuses to do their job?
I've been infracted for calling Torie a genius. For reals.
Really, guys?
More things not allowed on the Forum!
Twelve points away from "Moderator Review."

Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate.  But do you notice a pattern?  You air your complaints and drama publicly, usually starting off in a complaining manner (just look at your use of exclamation points), and overreacting to situations that most of the forum would never start a thread over.

And these examples are just from ONE board.

"Now, some of your complaints here are legitimate..." So how the hell am I overreacting? 

So your point fails. And yes, on the Atlas board, people have to air their complaints publicly. That's how this works, Inks especially when moderators choose to ignore concerns.

Some ≠ all.

Uh huh. And you go on to complain that my complaints are public. Yes, Inks, that's what the Atlas board is for. Get with it, dude.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Right now you both need to be banned. 

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

You just don't get it, Phil.  And I'm tired of trying to make you understand.  I'm moving on, and when my recusal period is over, assuming Nym doesn't say anything, it's back to moderating.

[Keystone Phil]

You just don't get it, Phil.  And I'm tired of trying to make you understand.  I'm moving on, and when my recusal period is over, assuming Nym doesn't say anything, it's back to moderating.

No, you're really not "trying to make" me understand. You're begging me to move on (when you aren't throwing around subtle threats) because your points aren't making sense.

[Badger]

I thought Phil was just being Phil. 

that moderators can make personal attacks.

Um, do you realize you just equated "being Phil" as an insult?

[Badger]

I suspect some would become quite unpopular as they allow chaos to ensue per a laissez faire approach

this is total fearmongering nonsense.  the Forum existed for YEARS with almost NO moderation.  the Moderation system doesn't prevent anything at all, it creates controversy and is nothing but its own structure of power imposed from outside on the Forum.

So since you think ALL moderators(tion) is bad, why should anyone care if you think Inks is a bad mod?

[Badger]

You now have a tendency to overreact.

Irony Ore Mine bound.....

[© tweed]

I suspect some would become quite unpopular as they allow chaos to ensue per a laissez faire approach

this is total fearmongering nonsense.  the Forum existed for YEARS with almost NO moderation.  the Moderation system doesn't prevent anything at all, it creates controversy and is nothing but its own structure of power imposed from outside on the Forum.

So since you think ALL moderators(tion) is bad, why should anyone care if you think Inks is a bad mod?

that's up to them, no?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I thought Phil was just being Phil. 

that moderators can make personal attacks.

Um, do you realize you just equated "being Phil" as an insult?

Phil is reacting hysterically to the slightest criticism of his conduct. On the other hand, he's constantly insulting those he dislike or those who dared to disagree with him.

[© tweed]

I thought Phil was just being Phil. 

that moderators can make personal attacks.

Um, do you realize you just equated "being Phil" as an insult?

"Veiled or subtle attacks will also be deleted when reported."
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=108009.msg2297721#msg2297721

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I have confidence in Inks

[Bacon King]

(I feel horrible for posting this image, but it's a lesson I think everyone in this thread needs to learn)

[Badger]

Speaking as a mod who rarely infracts (NYJew's recent tirades being an exception), I support Inks.

Why? 

A fair question.

While I consider myself and Inks to be at opposite ends of the spectrum for moding styles, (and Lord knows he, like most mods people could learn from my ways), he's contentious and tries to do what's right. Yes, he slips, but he has probably the hardest and frequently most infraction-prone board on the Forum; the one most likely to veer off into personal acrimony. A hard job.

He goofed, it was minor, it was corrected, he apologized. End of story.

Or at least it should've been.

The weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth really has little to nothing to do with overall mod policies, and much more with settling personal scores or trying to establish "a win" in internet land.

Overall, yeah, Inks could loosen up a little in his moding, but he hardly deserves fired.

That, and the opposition here has largely degenerated into such a whiny, neurotic display of d*#k-swinging that Inks, by comparison, isn't merely worthy of support, but mother-freaking beatification.

[Badger]

I suspect some would become quite unpopular as they allow chaos to ensue per a laissez faire approach

this is total fearmongering nonsense.  the Forum existed for YEARS with almost NO moderation.  the Moderation system doesn't prevent anything at all, it creates controversy and is nothing but its own structure of power imposed from outside on the Forum.

So since you think ALL moderators(tion) is bad, why should anyone care if you think Inks is a bad mod?

that's up to them, no?

Of course it is, but you must admit antipathy to moderation of any kind makes your criticism of Inks decidedly less credible. It's like listening to an anarchist complain about their state's current governor--wholly expected, but proving little.

[© tweed]

Of course it is, but you must admit antipathy to moderation of any kind makes your criticism of Inks decidedly less credible. It's like listening to an anarchist complain about their state's current governor--wholly expected, but proving little.

you're forgetting something very important -- this world looks very different to the non-Moderator than it does to the Moderator.  from your pedestal Inks' "goofs" and blunders are just that.. but down here, where we bear the brunt, where we are the whipping boys who get punished for such goofs, the reality is much different.

consider this -- the Mods collectively have in their hands my account, my membership on this website that I've been much more than an auxiliary character since I was twelve years old.  Inks' "goofs" earn him some crossfire, but my "goofs" and the goofs of the rest of the non-Moderator crown threaten our very membership on this website.  

nobody is sacred to you guys: see jmfcst, who spent TEN YEARS here and did more for this site than anyone on the Mod team (save perhaps Al) ever has, gets whisked away.  it's something very important to him on a personal level, otherwise he wouldn't repeatedly break back in.

[© tweed]

moral of the story is you're screwing with people's lives.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

moral of the story is you're screwing with people's lives.

?

Explain.

[Keystone Phil]

I thought Phil was just being Phil. 

that moderators can make personal attacks.

Um, do you realize you just equated "being Phil" as an insult?

Uh...when Inks uses it that way, yeah. Listen, I know you're older and things go over your head a lot easier...