Are people who care about the Palestinian people's plight anti-semitic?

[Sbane]

Just wondering how many people think this. To think that criticizing one nation's policies is the same as hating an entire group of people is mind blowing.

[dead0man]

Of course not.  But people that are anti-Semitic are certainly going to "care" about the Palistinians.

[Zioneer]

Of course not.  But people that are anti-Semitic are certainly going to "care" about the Palistinians.

This, basically.

[後援会]

Of course not.  But people that are anti-Semitic are certainly going to "care" about the Palistinians.

This, basically.

Yeah. And will usually "care" with the help of blatant double-standards.

[patrick1]

Of course not.  But people that are anti-Semitic are certainly going to "care" about the Palistinians.

That is more a mark of left orientated anti semitism.  Much of the anti-semitism coming from the extreme right hates Jews, Muslims and Arabs.

[dead0man]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I think part of the reason these people might feel this way is because when you look at the fundamentals, Israel was a really really stupid idea. The premise that one group has a right to some land because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is quite laughable. That's why I've always considered Zionism as absurd as the drivel written by Ayn Rand and about equal in what value it brings to public discourse.

And it doesn't help that Israel was founded by some pretty disgusting people, can anyone explain what makes the Irgun and Lehi in any way better than Hamas?

[Middle-aged Europe]

Of course not.  But people that are anti-Semitic are certainly going to "care" about the Palistinians.

Then again, there are also people who claim to be pro-Israel because they love to see Arabs slaughtered.

I'm specifically referring to the Islamophobic crowd in my own country who show an unlimited support for Israel's policies, but at the same time started to support a ban of circumcision (including Jewish circumcision) in Germany recently. They give a rats ass about Jews... except when there's the possibility that Jews happen to kill Muslims.

[Emperor Dubya]

I think part of the reason these people might feel this way is because when you look at the fundamentals, Israel was a really really stupid idea. The premise that one group has a right to some land because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is quite laughable. That's why I've always considered Zionism as absurd as the drivel written by Ayn Rand and about equal in what value it brings to public discourse.

And it doesn't help that Israel was founded by some pretty disgusting people, can anyone explain what makes the Irgun and Lehi in any way better than Hamas?

At least the Israeli's made something out of the country, as opposed to turning it into another middle-eastern s**tbox a la Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran.

[Sbane]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

[Emperor Dubya]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

Yes but I somehow trust Israel more with nuclear bombs than I do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

[Sbane]

Do you think he would attack Israel with a nuclear weapon?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I think part of the reason these people might feel this way is because when you look at the fundamentals, Israel was a really really stupid idea. The premise that one group has a right to some land because their ancestors lived there 2000 years ago is quite laughable. That's why I've always considered Zionism as absurd as the drivel written by Ayn Rand and about equal in what value it brings to public discourse.

And it doesn't help that Israel was founded by some pretty disgusting people, can anyone explain what makes the Irgun and Lehi in any way better than Hamas?

The key argument is that Jews need to have their own country, regardless of the location, because this is the only chance they have to finally be safe from persecution and be regarded as a people equal to others. Considering what happened, that is a quite compelling argument. Now, we can keep on rambling about the fact there were millions of other places to go, but that's pointless. They decided to settle there (which obviously makes far more sense than any other potential choice), they did settle there, and since they now live there, they have all the rights to have their own country. Which is the exact same reason why Palestinians have the right to their own country.

And reducing the Zionist movement to Irgun is like reducing socialism to gulags. It's absolutely ludicrous.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

Yes but I somehow trust Israel more with nuclear bombs than I do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

If you think Iran will actually use them, than you are beyond naive. The Iranians are not as stupid as your anti Muslim stereotypes would think. But you are a new, blue avatar poster, with the name Emperor Dubya...go away Rhodie.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

You know someone who might believe they are? Michael Savage. He's a nutcase about this stuff.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

You know someone who might believe they are? Michael Savage. He's a nutcase about this stuff.

If I ever meet Michael Savage, and I suspect one day I will, I will say things that would get me banned here. I hate that man. I hate him. I. Hate. Him. There is not one person on earth lower, more pathetic, and more hateful. And these words come just for the autism comments . What a piece of human trash.

[Emperor Dubya]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

Yes but I somehow trust Israel more with nuclear bombs than I do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

If you think Iran will actually use them, than you are beyond naive. The Iranians are not as stupid as your anti Muslim stereotypes would think. But you are a new, blue avatar poster, with the name Emperor Dubya...go away Rhodie.

Huh, Rhodie? Anyway, you are the naive one, in believing that Iran operates in the normal parameters of international diplomacy. This is not the Soviet Union, this is a religious theocracy, who might well use the bomb against Israel.

[Donerail]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

Yes but I somehow trust Israel more with nuclear bombs than I do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

If you think Iran will actually use them, than you are beyond naive. The Iranians are not as stupid as your anti Muslim stereotypes would think. But you are a new, blue avatar poster, with the name Emperor Dubya...go away Rhodie.

Huh, Rhodie? Anyway, you are the naive one, in believing that Iran operates in the normal parameters of international diplomacy. This is not the Soviet Union, this is a religious theocracy, who might well use the bomb against Israel.

I choose to believe that the Iranian leadership is still human and thus would not find enjoyment from their own vaporization; they shall not conduct a nuclear strike on Israel, since such a strike would result in a retaliatory one on a much larger scale.

[dead0man]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

Of course not, I'm not sure what that has to do with my quote though.

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That's the rumor, again though, not sure what that has to do with anything.


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[Associate Justice PiT]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

Yes but I somehow trust Israel more with nuclear bombs than I do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

If you think Iran will actually use them, than you are beyond naive. The Iranians are not as stupid as your anti Muslim stereotypes would think. But you are a new, blue avatar poster, with the name Emperor Dubya...go away Rhodie.

Huh, Rhodie? Anyway, you are the naive one, in believing that Iran operates in the normal parameters of international diplomacy. This is not the Soviet Union, this is a religious theocracy, who might well use the bomb against Israel.

I choose to believe that the Iranian leadership is still human and thus would not find enjoyment from their own vaporization; they shall not conduct a nuclear strike on Israel, since such a strike would result in a retaliatory one on a much larger scale.

     Considering that the theocratic regime in Tehran has survived for 33 years now, their tendency towards self-preservation is well-attested. Any claim that they would throw it all away just to destroy Israel cannot be regarded as credible.

[Niemeyerite]

I care about Palestinian people, and no, I'm not anti-semitic. I have a Jewish friend, in fact.

Ph, and I also believe Emperor Dubya is Rhodie/kenyanobama/...

[dead0man]

Now, I'm not saying you're antisemitic or that you don't have a Jewish friend, but here in the states when a racist is confronted with his racism he will often say something along the lines of, "I can't be racist, I have black friend".  It's normally laughed at.

[Sbane]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

Of course not, I'm not sure what that has to do with my quote though.

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That's the rumor, again though, not sure what that has to do with anything.

You said that left antisemitism is hidden behind a facade of "caring" when in reality most of those people care equally for the Israelis AND the Palestinians. If looked at from an average American perspective it could look anti-semitic or anti-Israeli since they themselves are so lopsided in their support, and many times probably don't even realize that they are being so unfair to the Palestinian people. There are people in the world who are treated just as bad as the Palestinians, but we usually don't count them as our best friend. We usually don't say that they are a shining example of western liberalism. We usually don't give them a blank check to do whatever they would like to do.

As for the nuclear issue....I just don't see Iran using a nuclear weapon. There are a few reasons for getting the bomb. One is that it will increase the popularity of the government. See, one thing you may not realize is that every country likes to wave it's dick, especially if in the past they were the seat of a great civilization. Persia would count as such a place. You know those pro-American green revolution supporters? They are in favor of an Iranian bomb! I don't think you or a lot of other Americans understand this. It's just a way of showing the world how powerful and important they are and to not mess with them. So that being said, why is Israel having nuclear weapons accepted while Iran getting one isn't?

[dead0man]

You said that left antisemitism is hidden behind a facade of "caring" when in reality most of those people care equally for the Israelis AND the Palestinians.

People on the left that are also antisemitic care about Israelis?  That seems odd.  Unless you are assuming everybody on the left is antisemitic, but that would be even more odd.

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I can see that.

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Agreed.  Though there is a greater than 0 chance that they will give it to one of the terrorists groups they run.  If in 5 years there is a good size divot in the middle of Tel Aviv those that are against Iran getting the bomb can say "whoops, I was wrong".  The thousands of dead won't be able to say anything.  I can certainly understand their concern.

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Well that whole "liberal democracy" thing helps.  And at the time we "let" them, it seemed like a really good way to at least temporarily guarantee their continued existence.  Since then they've proven that they will take care of them well.  And I have always been under the impression that most people on the left (antisemitic or not) were against more nukes, much less more countries getting nukes.  And even crazier, the new country that you are supporting getting nukes would be amongst the 3 countries most likely to use them unprovoked or let them slip (or "slip") into groups that would use them if given the chance.  Are we going to be cool with S.Arabia getting the bomb?  What about Egypt?  If there is a line in the sand, I would hope it would be right in front of Iran, but I suppose I'm wrong.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?

Yes but I somehow trust Israel more with nuclear bombs than I do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

If you think Iran will actually use them, than you are beyond naive. The Iranians are not as stupid as your anti Muslim stereotypes would think. But you are a new, blue avatar poster, with the name Emperor Dubya...go away Rhodie.

Huh, Rhodie? Anyway, you are the naive one, in believing that Iran operates in the normal parameters of international diplomacy. This is not the Soviet Union, this is a religious theocracy, who might well use the bomb against Israel.

As opposed to all those secular theocracies, who clearly wouldn't?