Office of Zanas46 - Get out to vote !

[Zanas]

Hello there !

As my seat in the Southern Region is up to election in a dozen days from now, I'm reactivating this thread to serve any useful purpose as it may.

I'd like to point at my record on what has been my first ever office held in Atlasia (after my first ever campaign, but I won't gloat too much for that... ) :

- participated thoroughly in the debate upon the Is our children learning bill, proposed a few amendments that have been included and voted the final text which was adopted unanimously,
- proposed New Orleans as the Federally funded University's location, but ended up supporting the compromise proposal of Charleston,
- started discussing the bill on decent conditions of breeding for cats and dogs, but it hasn't been voted as of yet ; I favored it and just proposed a few adjustments,
- voted for Labor Party Federal Chairman Adam Griffin for Legislature Speaker, ended up tied with SJoyceFla, they're Co-Speakers now.

As you can see, I have been an active member of this Legislative Body, I don't say I was the motor of the discussion, but as a first time elected member I think nobody would expect me to. I don't think I made serious mistakes that would bar me from seeking reelection before you voters. My comprehension of the stakes and the functioning of this game have also greatly benefited from my office, so it would be a shame for me personally not to be able to pursue on that track.

In the next Legislature, I might step up a bit and propose my first bill initiatives. I would greatly welcome proposals from the voters of this region on the topics that I should concentrate upon, and I will also take any question and try to respond to it promptly and sincerely.

Thank you all for reading.

[Adam Griffin]

[Zanas]

I forgot that I also proposed some routes for our future high speed rail network extension in the South.

As you can see I must be one of the rare people here running for office without a sign to put in his sig, but anyway my campaign is more on substance than on form...

I also want to say once again I will be extra careful on all issues regarding the environment and its defense that will be debated in our Legislature.

You could say I am quite the political watermelon : I originated in black seeds, I developed a strong red flesh, and later on I wrapped that up with a smooth green skin...

[Zanas]

Zanas46 addresses workers in an Atlanta suburb factory :

My fellow Southern workers,

It is my deep pleasure to be here today to thank you for granting me reelection in our Legislature. It means the world to me to see that you trust me to keep on defending your interests in legislative action, as you are defending them in your everyday action in your workplace, in your union, in your political party and your associations. You know I've always had the best interests of the working class at heart, and the mandate you give me will ensure that this continues.

I chose to address this speech here in one of our factories to support the idea that we can produce our goods here, and there is still room for an industry in Atlasia and in the South. It is both good environmentally and socially to keep producing here, as we keep good jobs for our people, and cut on the gas emissions not having to import so much things from abroad. The world competition must not come to a hatred towards workers of other countries though, as they all have the same interest : take the power back from the hands of a small oligarchy that have cornered it for too long now.

Workers of the world, unite !

[Adam Griffin]

Congratulations! Welcome back.

[Zanas]

This is what we're getting from the Southern Legislator of Texas, following the lawsuit filed in by Mr. BaconKing. I would just want to say that a lawsuit, as faulted as its ground arguments may seem to those who have not filed it in, stays a lawsuit. I think it qualifies as neither a "stunt" nor "an illegal attempt", hell if anything it is a "legal attempt" if there is one ! The court will rule it one way or another.

Given the recent attempt of Labourites to suppress the votes of 12 lawful citizens of the IDS - I am not surprised one bit to see the good citizens of this glorious republic rise in anger.

The South cannot and will not tolerate illegal attempts to seize control of the legislature. Nor will they tolerate unlawful attempts at insurrection from those unwilling to accept the will of the people.

Anyways, Pingvin has agreed to stand down. Should Labour attempt another stunt, I cannot promise to intervene. The Labourites have thus been warned by me, and the people of the South that their shenanigans are unacceptable.

And then we have the "warning", unspecified with the Legislator from Texas, but clearly specified regarding the Legislator from Florida, and Co-Speaker of our Body.

For my part, I will echo the warning of my fellow Legislator. Pingvin has agreed to stand down, for now. But if the soap box proves ineffective, the ballot box ignored, and the jury box opposed to the will of the people of this region, I would not be surprised to see the ammo box.

A Mr. Pingvin standing down is apparently seen as a great favor granted upon us, well I'd say : do let him stand up, just to see what our federal government has to say about it...

Let the court rule this thing, I'm very confident that it will be ruled in the best way possible for the Southern Region and its People at large.


(btw, which court is actually going to rule this ?)

[Zanas]

I just realised this : we have Napoleon, and we have Snowball...

This is the Animal Farm folks !

[Zanas]

I'm putting here a response I'm doing to my fellow Legislator's fallacious arguments on the environment and poverty. We sure need to introduce more ecological concern in our policies here. I will probably be advocating an ecosocialist caucus within the Labor Party in the future.

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The latest tranche is 1.7k per person in the IDS. Say 1/10th of the population is without an automobile, that's enough to buy everyone without a car a new car.

Given as a car is far more useful to the working poor, in terms of convenience, and effectiveness, if we are actually motivated by concern for the working poor, we should be buying them a car.

Telling people what they should do is never as effective as letting them choose to do what is in their best interest, and giving them the tools to accomplish their goals.

The question shouldn't be, "cars are icky, ergo we should punish icky poor people for wanting to drive a car", the question should be - "how can we give them the tools to better themselves.".

You say you are motivated to better the poor, and then you say the poor should be sacrificed on the altar of Gaea. Which is your real motivation?

I'm not saying any of this nonsense, and you're doing this on purpose.

I am indeed motivated to better the living conditions of the poor, which includes givng them good living conditions, aka breathable air, a sustainable planet and environment. As a matter of fact, I don't think buying cars to those who don't have one is neither "bettering them", nor enriching them in a broader aspect.

I'd rather have people live in conditions where their great-grand-children will be able to breathe without asthma and lung cancer, than buy them cars.

And while I'm on the subject, isn't buying a car to the poor actually "telling people what they should do" as opposed to "letting them choose to do what is in their best interest" ?

Of course, if you are short-sighted, you can be under the illusion that having a car for every citizen is the best interest of the people. Well it's not. Having the means to use cheap transportation to do what they'd like to do is. And it's only because our nation is decades late in the development of effective public transportations systems that you are presently under this short-minded illusion.

You say we shouldn't be telling people what to do but give them the tools to accomplish their goals. Well if we agree that the goal of most of our fellow citizens is being able to use transportation to come and go while ensuring a future made of breathable air for themselves and their offspring, the tools we should give all of them are good broad cheap public transportations systems, with as few cars as possible.

You cannot have cars for everyone, and a future. That's mutually exclusive. Sorry.

[Wisconsin+17]

I wish to thank Zanas for the invitation to debate in his office.

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I remember a man who once said the following.

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We have a future. We always have a future, and we will pursue that future without the shackles of the old and the tired and the weak who wish to hold us back from taking that which we desire.

We CAN all have cars. We CAN all have a higher and more prosperous standard of living. We all CAN have a future. Will it be easy? No. But there is hope, there are dreams and we should not let others stand in our way and tell us that no, we do not have a future. You cannot want to go to space in a big-ass rocket ride. You can't have the moonbases and space colonies so long the dream of dreamers and the insane. And you can't drive your automobile because mother Earth said no.

I claim the mantle of President Kennedy who believed in a dream, a dream today that could be accomplished by the diligent effort of Atlasians across the nation. I believe that the people of Atlasia deserve more than to sit in a corner and worry about whether they have offended mother earth. We should be confident to shape the world to suit our needs, not let the world shape us. To dream only small dreams because the big ones are impractical.

So, people, are you going to let an elected official tell you that if you all had a car the world is doomed? Or are you going to get in your car, head to work, pick up lunch and maybe bring flowers home to the wife? I don't know about you - but I know what I will do. And I expect nothing less.

[LastVoter]

"A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars. It is one where the rich use public transportation"

I wish to thank Zanas for the invitation to debate in his office.

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I remember a man who once said the following.

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We have a future. We always have a future, and we will pursue that future without the shackles of the old and the tired and the weak who wish to hold us back from taking that which we desire.

We CAN all have cars. We CAN all have a higher and more prosperous standard of living. We all CAN have a future. Will it be easy? No. But there is hope, there are dreams and we should not let others stand in our way and tell us that no, we do not have a future. You cannot want to go to space in a big-ass rocket ride. You can't have the moonbases and space colonies so long the dream of dreamers and the insane. And you can't drive your automobile because mother Earth said no.

I claim the mantle of President Kennedy who believed in a dream, a dream today that could be accomplished by the diligent effort of Atlasians across the nation. I believe that the people of Atlasia deserve more than to sit in a corner and worry about whether they have offended mother earth. We should be confident to shape the world to suit our needs, not let the world shape us. To dream only small dreams because the big ones are impractical.

So, people, are you going to let an elected official tell you that if you all had a car the world is doomed? Or are you going to get in your car, head to work, pick up lunch and maybe bring flowers home to the wife? I don't know about you - but I know what I will do. And I expect nothing less.

Exactly, we should make sure that the world is in better shape tomorrow than it is today.

[Zanas]

Dreaming the dream of getting the world back on its tracks to collective survival is not dreaming a small dream : it's the biggest dream of all.

And all your philosophical messianic babbling isn't gonna change the fact that the more oil we burn and the more CO2, CH4 and other gases we emit in the atmosphere, the less our human race will have of a future to survive in. That is fact.

Now we can all have pedal cars, if you're so much into cars. More seriously, we're not talking about suppressing each and every car, but creating the conditions in which it will seldom be mandatory to use a personal car rather than collective transportation of some sort.

Of course, we shouldn't be stopping research to make cars cleaner, nor should we stop going to the moon and explore space. Knowledge is always good, but it's better still when it is then put to good use and not wasted.

[Northeast Rep Snowball]

I just realised this : we have Napoleon, and we have Snowball...

This is the Animal Farm folks !

Yes, I felt that would be more obvious with my nick

also

I support

[Wisconsin+17]

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Oil is the best fuel for an automobile. It is cheap and it is common, and it packs an incredible amount of chemical energy in a small area. All the alternatives are more expensive, and they use resources that are hard to find and uncommon. We hear about 'Peak Oil', but nothing about 'Peak Lathanides'. We hear about using the sun for power, but we don't hear about the fact that you can't run the A/C, or the heater, or you can't go more than 50 miles. A horse would be more effective and faster and reliable than an electric vehicle.

Transit simply isn't sustainable - it requires a robust automobile industry in order to maintain the infrastructure to keep it running. It is an expensive luxury that gives us little bang for the buck. What it does give is transit planners and city planners more control over people as to when and where they go and when. The Automobile is by far the greatest tool for freedom and mobility - which is why when a consumer has an opportunity - they try to purchase a car.

[Zanas]

Oil is the best fuel for an automobile. It is cheap and it is common, and it packs an incredible amount of chemical energy in a small area.

Yeah. And sadly, there won't be anymore available in a few decades. 50 years, 100, 200, then what will we do ?

All the alternatives are more expensive, and they use resources that are hard to find and uncommon. We hear about 'Peak Oil', but nothing about 'Peak Lathanides'. We hear about using the sun for power, but we don't hear about the fact that you can't run the A/C, or the heater, or you can't go more than 50 miles. A horse would be more effective and faster and reliable than an electric vehicle.

All individual vehicles, electric or thermic, are unsustainable on the long term. Plus, believing electric vehicles are clean and could replace thermic ones is moronic, of course. Horses, well, not so much, but who are we to tell them what to do ? Right ?

Transit simply isn't sustainable

No. Massive individual greenhouse gas emitting transportation is.

- it requires a robust automobile industry in order to maintain the infrastructure to keep it running. It is an expensive luxury that gives us little bang for the buck. What it does give is transit planners and city planners more control over people as to when and where they go and when.

Ah, that's your fear, eh ? Well, and don't the roads already tell you where to go ? You can't go to where a road isn't already built, is that not too much of a freedom infringement to you ? We should get rid of roads, and be able to ride everywhere. This would be the only real freedom.

The Automobile

Now it even gets a capital letter. I guess Dave should be concerned about the competition...

is by far the greatest tool for freedom and mobility - which is why when a consumer has an opportunity - they try to purchase a car.

Actually I sold mine, as I hadn't the need for it anymore. But I live in a city where there are plenty of good public transportations so...

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I haven't had a car in years and am happy enough for it. Once we run out of oil, I shudder to think of what will happen to suburban and rural areas.

[Zanas]

     I haven't had a car in years and am happy enough for it. Once we run out of oil, I shudder to think of what will happen to suburban and rural areas.

That is why the oil that still is available should be reserved for those areas, and not for inner cities where we could easily manage to do otherwise.

[Northeast Rep Snowball]

thats another thing, if you gave everyone a car, then some would sell it, the cost of upkeep and gas when they could walk to most of what they need would be less useful then the money itself

[Zanas]

Hi there. I am introducing this piece of legislation in the IDS Legislature, strongly inspired by the wonderful one succesfully passed in the Northeast on a proposal by my comrade Barnes.

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Feel free to comment. Remember, political watermelon.

[Northeast Rep Snowball]

Hi there. I am introducing this piece of legislation in the IDS Legislature, strongly inspired by the wonderful one succesfully passed in the Northeast on a proposal by my comrade Barnes.

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Feel free to comment. Remember, political watermelon.

!. Costs of recycled paper vs old paper
2. Set up a realistic commitee if one is created, there in no objective in creating false comittees which noone sits upon

[Zanas]

In regards to all the jimble-jumble that's been going on in the South lately, I would like to make the following statement :

I find it at the same time hilarious, appalling and extremely sad that such an individual as Ben Kenobi, who has made an attempt at secession of a tract of land from our region, which is an outrageous offense, comes back smiling and waving and runs for keeping the seat he used to occupy in our Legislature.

I would say that someone who has attempted to secede, even if he quickly stood back, should not be regarded as legitimate to occupy further elected offices in the territory which he was once so eager to secede from. Even if I can consider some kind of pardon to that offense, surely this should at least mean the resignation from his office.

How on earth can one secede from a Region and keep his office inherently attached to this Region ? And to top that get it back when backing on the secession thing, and furthermore running to keep it in the next election... This is nonsense, or to quote Jack O'Neill : "Oh, for crying out loud. That's derentis!"

So I urge each and every citizen of the South to vote against that man, who turned his back upon us. How can we be sure his change of mind when stopping the secession was honest ? How can we be sure he has the best interest of the people of this region at heart when he actually left it ?

If he is elected, I might well be doing some pedagogy and start another recall election of him, just to teach some legal knowledge, maybe on no ground at all, or maybe on the grounds he wasn't speaking tagalog while riding a green unicycle around a naked virgin witch on the crescent moon when he announced his run.

Not decided yet.

[Wisconsin+17]

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Man, those grapes sure are sour.

Go ahead, file all the recalls you want.

Maybe next week we can have Zanas' recall petition. Then Seatown again. Then Bacon King II. then Velascos, then Seatown II, then Bacon King III.

Why not file a perpetual recall so that every week the people of the IDS have to vote on whether to keep me?

[Wisconsin+17]

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The people themselves have spoken that they regard your illegitimate attempts to seize control of the legislature as transparent, offensive, and meritless; but wholly expected given that your party attempted to throw out valid ballots that didn't vote the way you wanted them to.  

But do go on, and reinforce the fact that this is simply a partisan effort to refight lost elections.  Brought to you by the party of Seatown, and Bacon King.

You yourself said that you were not comfortable with 'this method of selecting a legislator', yet you yourself signed a petition to remove a duly elected legislator from his seat. If you didn't agree with the merits of the petition, why did you sign it? I only vote for stuff I agree with, and I vote against for stuff that I disagree. I don't get letters in my boxes from the Federalist officials telling me to vote one way or another. Do you get instructions from your party bosses?

[Velasco]

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Man, those grapes sure are sour.

Go ahead, file all the recalls you want.

Maybe next week we can have Zanas' recall petition. Then Seatown again. Then Bacon King II. then Velascos, then Seatown II, then Bacon King III.

Why not file a perpetual recall so that every week the people of the IDS have to vote on whether to keep me?

Don't worry about me. I won't recall you; I'm just too lazy to do so. Anyways, given that Zanas apparently has some legal knowledge in the real life, it would be interesting to see a recall launched by him.

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The people themselves have spoken that they regard your illegitimate attempts to seize control of the legislature are transparent and offensive, but wholly expected given that your party attempted to throw out valid ballots that didn't vote the way you wanted them to. 

But do go on, and reinforce the fact that this is simply a partisan effort to refight lost elections. By the party of Seatown, and Bacon King.

You're insisting in the same argumentation again and again. There's motivation for a recall - although it seems that there's no need of motivation-, another question is winning at the polling booth. You should consider yourself lucky because your party backed you, but I'm sure that many Feds disliked your moves. How many times must we say that we are not plotting against you or any other official? When will you realize that Mr. Bacon Kingman belongs to the Liberal Party and not to the Labor? On the other hand remember that this is a game and Mr. Kingman's main motivation was having fun. I hope you will understand...

[Wisconsin+17]

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Yes, I believe the people should have their say. The people of the IDS have spoken and you should accept their decision to keep me on.

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Among whom? Not the people of the IDS. From Labor, yes, which is mere partisanship. If I were Bacon King and I were on your team, you would not be calling for my recall. Everyone argues that they themselves are not partisan, but then they demonstrate the actual reality through their words and actions.

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I consider myself fortunate that the people of the IDS have ajudged me worthy to remain in my duly elected seat.

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How can you say that when Bacon King sued me, when Bacon King initiated recall against me, when seatown attempted to nullify an election, when the Labor party continues to move people into the IDS in an attempt to overwhelm the region?

Since the election loss in November, you have been plotting against the Federalists pretty much non-stop. The answer isn't to say, but to do  - to actually stop plotting.

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I strongly suspect that you would not be so sanguine should the actions you do to others be returned to yourself. Consider that Velasco, and consider whether you want to be associated with the party that has attempted all of these things inside of a month. Is this really what you want to be known as?

[Velasco]

I think that you're taking it too seriously. On the other hand, an attempt of secession (you rectified later, that's true) is a serious matter. Remember that all the story started with the first legal action by Mr. Kingman, revealing us a serious crack in our electoral legislation. The matter could have been solved of very easy form as soon as the courts gave their verdicts and the legislation was reformed and ratified in a referendum. But you continued with your accusations and your imaginative theories. Don't start again with that story about strategic registration, I've seen how grew the Fed registered voters in the last weeks. I told some party colleague of you that I was feeling a bit troublesome with some accusations. How boring could be the game if we were forced to register in the same places that the rest of our coreligionists.