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« on: August 18, 2012, 12:41:13 PM »

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/axelrod-wont-rule-out-biden-being-dropped-tells-joke-instead_650073.html

President Barack Obama's closest political adviser, David Axelrod, would not rule out dropping Vice President Joe Biden from this year's presidential ticket when asked about the rumors this morning on MSNBC.

And then Axelrod went on to praise Biden effusively.

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If Obama were to drop Biden, one would expect the switch to be on the kindest possible terms. Might this effusive praise be part of a grand strategy to prepare the groundwork for dropping Biden?

This is absolutely hilarious.

Perhaps Biden is not such a great pick after all.

Compared to the youthful, attractive, intelligent, energetic, and charismatic Ryan, Biden is left standing at the bus stop.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 12:43:01 PM »

Compared to the youthful, attractive, intelligent, energetic, and charismatic Ryan, Biden is left standing at the bus stop.

If Romney picked Pat Robertson himself, you'd rambling how great choice it was too.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 12:44:21 PM »


Compared to the youthful, attractive, intelligent, energetic, and charismatic Ryan, Biden is left standing at the bus stop.
Will you stop with the Biden is "washed up crap". Biden still has the energy of a 20 year old. Ryan is the one that seems boring and old. Plus Joe's got more charisma in his pinky finger than Ryan will ever have.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 12:48:28 PM »

It would be stupid to drop Biden. It would make the Obama campaign look like it can be bullied around. Plus, they should've expected this kind of stuff when they chose Biden in the first place; it shouldn't be news that he makes gaffes.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 12:52:14 PM »

Biden is awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 12:58:53 PM »

It would make more sense to drop Axelrod.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 12:59:40 PM »
« Edited: August 18, 2012, 06:50:37 PM by DrScholl »

Isn't this really grasping at straws? The words "won't rule out" in politics are usually used to substantiate rumors.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2012, 01:00:20 PM »

Compared to the youthful, attractive, intelligent, energetic, and charismatic Ryan, Biden is left standing at the bus stop.

If Romney picked Pat Robertson himself, you'd rambling how great choice it was too.

Oh no, it has to be a great pick like Ryan for me to render such accolades.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2012, 01:04:04 PM »

Obviously, Obama is not going to dump Biden.  It would make Obama look ridiculous and would make it appear like he had made a big mistake in the first place.  

But the mere fact that Axelrod would not come right out directly and say that there is no way that Biden would be dropped from the ticket is telling in and of itself.

Axelrod had the opportunity to say that but he failed to do so.

That is hilarious.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2012, 01:04:16 PM »

Biden's 70 years old.  
He's a drag on the ticket but he won't be dropped.  

I think voters clearly don't want a 70 year old as VP or President.  
Though its unfair, the age issue will be a big deal in the campaign and on election day.  
Its not easy to hope for change that a 70 year old can deliver it.  It was a significant factor in dooming McCain's campaign.  

The Republicans will make a big deal, and scare the Republican voters and independents that it will be dangerous to have a senile, rambling, 70 year old, one step away from the Presidency.  

This is clearly a scare tactic used to energize Republican and Independent voters.  

Democrats should be happy to have Biden on the ticket, even if his age scares Republican and Independent voters.
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2012, 01:06:05 PM »

I think voters clearly don't want a 70 year old as VP or President.  

You should ask President Mondale if that's true.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2012, 01:07:38 PM »

It will actually be a lot smarter for Obama to pick Mark Warner as VP. 
IF Obama can keep Virginia, then he is guaranteed to win re-election. 
This would actually be a smart decision from an electoral standpoint.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2012, 01:09:52 PM »

I think voters clearly don't want a 70 year old as VP or President.  

You should ask President Mondale if that's true.

Obama's no Ron Reagan.

Reagan was also shown to have been going senile during his second term. 

Biden is not Ronald Reagan either.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2012, 01:17:03 PM »

It will actually be a lot smarter for Obama to pick Mark Warner as VP. 
IF Obama can keep Virginia, then he is guaranteed to win re-election.
This would actually be a smart decision from an electoral standpoint.

Not necessarily...



You can also switch Colorado and Iowa if need be too.

Anyhow on topic, dropping Biden would wreak of desperation. It won't happen. Plus despite the dream of VP Hillary Clinton, she would never tie herself to Obama.
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2012, 01:19:18 PM »
« Edited: August 18, 2012, 01:21:15 PM by Beet »


You're right. I'd take Biden over Reagan any day.

Seriously though, few voters know how old Biden is. He certainly acts alive and vigorous. Yes, four years ago he brought experience and wisdom (particularly foreign policy) to a ticket with a young man who had been criticized on experience, and today that plus is no longer as relevant. But it'd still be a bad idea to drop him from the ticket for the reasons Cobbler said.

Speaking of which, how much foreign policy experience does the Romney-Ryan ticket have? Is Ryan really seasoned enough to step into the shoes of the President? Or is that not even being discussed in this election?
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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2012, 01:20:12 PM »

Yawn. Nobody will get dropped and nothing ever comes of this.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2012, 01:25:04 PM »

It will actually be a lot smarter for Obama to pick Mark Warner as VP. 
IF Obama can keep Virginia, then he is guaranteed to win re-election. 
This would actually be a smart decision from an electoral standpoint.
 

I agree, Mark Warner could play the role LBJ played 1960 for Kennedy
in Texas, which Kennedy never had won without this man, but now
it is too late to change the ticket because the people would think
Obama is in panic and this is the worst one can say about the president.
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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2012, 01:38:35 PM »


You're right. I'd take Biden over Reagan any day.

Seriously though, few voters know how old Biden is. He certainly acts alive and vigorous. Yes, four years ago he brought experience and wisdom (particularly foreign policy) to a ticket with a young man who had been criticized on experience, and today that plus is no longer as relevant. But it'd still be a bad idea to drop him from the ticket for the reasons Cobbler said.

Speaking of which, how much foreign policy experience does the Romney-Ryan ticket have? Is Ryan really seasoned enough to step into the shoes of the President? Or is that not even being discussed in this election?

I guess you can say Biden's economy is better than Reagan's economy, not gonna argue with you there, lol. 

People thought John McCain was old, and they'll think Biden is old.  You're not going to stop people from seeing it with their own eyes.  Biden was unusually on message in 2008, but he's gonna say more crazy things, which he is known for, after all he's a clean, articulate guy; and the republicans are going to make a bigger issue out of his senility compared to Romney/Ryan. 

Paul Ryan has 14 years of govt experience.  He's about as experienced as Bill Clinton was in 1992. 
Also, Democrats can't say anything about Ryan's young age and experience, when Obama was nominated with just 3 years of Senate experience.  Obama lowered the bar for everyone else. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2012, 01:47:11 PM »


You're right. I'd take Biden over Reagan any day.

Seriously though, few voters know how old Biden is. He certainly acts alive and vigorous. Yes, four years ago he brought experience and wisdom (particularly foreign policy) to a ticket with a young man who had been criticized on experience, and today that plus is no longer as relevant. But it'd still be a bad idea to drop him from the ticket for the reasons Cobbler said.

Speaking of which, how much foreign policy experience does the Romney-Ryan ticket have? Is Ryan really seasoned enough to step into the shoes of the President? Or is that not even being discussed in this election?

I guess you can say Biden's economy is better than Reagan's economy, not gonna argue with you there, lol. 

People thought John McCain was old, and they'll think Biden is old.  You're not going to stop people from seeing it with their own eyes.  Biden was unusually on message in 2008, but he's gonna say more crazy things, which he is known for, after all he's a clean, articulate guy; and the republicans are going to make a bigger issue out of his senility compared to Romney/Ryan. 

Paul Ryan has 14 years of govt experience.  He's about as experienced as Bill Clinton was in 1992. 
Also, Democrats can't say anything about Ryan's young age and experience, when Obama was nominated with just 3 years of Senate experience.  Obama lowered the bar for everyone else. 

LOL. Biden is 69. The guy at the top of your ticket is 65, only 4 years younger than Biden. Go ahead and and attack Biden over being old. It's not going to work.

The Obama/Biden ticket had foreign policy experience in 2008, thanks to Biden. Romney/Ryan ticket has no foreign policy experience. Romney already showed he can't go on a foreign tour for one week without screwing up. How is Ryan supposed to help that? The next President will have to deal with serious international issues. Only one of the tickets has shown that they can handle international issues. And Ryan has never been elected to statewide office, unlike Clinton or Obama.
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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2012, 01:58:57 PM »

It would make more sense to drop Axelrod.

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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2012, 02:43:32 PM »

The original article is absurd.
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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2012, 03:01:54 PM »

Biden is full of gaffes and a drag on the ticket, but that's what Obama wanted when he picked him. He needed someone with foreign policy experience who would never overshadow him. The only person Obama can drop him for is Hillary which equals a divided White House or some co-presidency not to mention a disaster on the campaign trail having two democratic nominees basically. There's no need to drop Biden.
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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2012, 03:10:04 PM »



Cheesy

(Wishful thinking, I know.)
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« Reply #23 on: August 18, 2012, 03:28:06 PM »

I doubt if it will happen, but Biden is a drag on the ticket overall.

He helps Obama in three states, DE, PA and NJ, basically the three in the Philadelphia Media Market.  Much like Ryan this time, Biden is a good choice, but not the best choice.  To remove him now would make Obama look desperate.
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2012, 03:35:11 PM »

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