British Labour and Conservative MPs lash out at Paul Ryan

[Adam Griffin]

Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

The UK is not your closest ally. Je-sus.

Only if you take it in geographical context.

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Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

It says "Labour and Conservative MPs", not "Kadima and Likud MPs".

Just don't let the USS Liberty get too close to our best "ally".

[Rhodie]

In my opinion, it's kind of sad that a health service is described as a cornerstone of national life. Also, these economic benefits of the NHS, what are they?

[Adam Griffin]

In my opinion, it's kind of sad that a health service is described as a cornerstone of national life. Also, these economic benefits of the NHS, what are they?

For starters, about $4,000 per year when compared to our system.



The average Briton saves - compared to the average American - an amount equivalent to 7% of their annual salary.

[You kip if you want to...]

The thread title makes it seem like quite a few MP's are getting rowdy at Ryan. When in reality, it's merely Jamie Reed, Labour shadow Health minister, and Stephen Dorrell, a Conservative moderate who says he 'doesn't disagree entirely' with Ryan's views and was probably only called on to comment to prevent Labour from making this a partisan issue. Not to mention this has only cropped up at all due to an old article Ryan penned in 2009.

Anyhow, considering the fact that Paul Ryan's budget plan is quite similar to George Osborne's, it would be ridiculous for any Conservative to attack Ryan for his proposals.

Austerity is working out so will for Britain, isn't it.

Fixing the mess left by the last government was never going to be easy.

At least we still have our AAA credit rating.

Yeah yeah, Labour's fault, blah blah. Put down your party talking points and look at the facts.

We're in a new recession ("a recession made in Downing Street" as the opposition puts it) after a period of some recovery in the economy and in terms of the cornerstone of the Tory's election campaign, a surplus by 2015, they've already had to admit that that's simply not possible even with their draconian austerity measures. We're not better off than we were two years ago.

We haven't lost our AAA rating. Yet.


Now, back on topic, this is a separate conversation for a separate board.

[Hatman 🍁]

Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

The UK is not your closest ally. Je-sus.

Only if you take it in geographical context.

It's not just geography. Where do most US Presidents go first after being elected? Not the UK. Who is the US's biggest trade partner? Not the UK. The UK may be America's most important ally, but certainly not the closest.

[Politico]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

[You kip if you want to...]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

[Politico]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

Denial is more than a river in Egypt, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Perhaps one of your fellow Brits will take a stab at it.

[Rhodie]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

I suppose one could say it smothers the freedom of private enterprise to operate (but then again that's just my opinion).

[Zioneer]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

I suppose one could say it smothers the freedom of private enterprise to operate (but then again that's just my opinion).

Doesn't New Zealand have a national healthcare system?

[Rhodie]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

I suppose one could say it smothers the freedom of private enterprise to operate (but then again that's just my opinion).

Doesn't New Zealand have a national healthcare system?

It does, but there's quite a bit of Private Sector involvement.

(I'm not actually from New Zealand, but my parents now live there, and I attended the University of Auckland)

[Franzl]

Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

It says "Labour and Conservative MPs", not "Kadima and Likud MPs".

Meh, I still say Israel is third after Canada. It just takes in a lot more effort. I would comment on the effect of British MPs saying Americans are wrong criticizing the NHS, but Keystone Phil is doing an excellent job of it. Speaking of the NHS, I sure hope I'll live to see the day British health is privatized.

People dying without healthcare is a lot of fun to watch, hm?

[Rhodie]

Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

It says "Labour and Conservative MPs", not "Kadima and Likud MPs".

Meh, I still say Israel is third after Canada. It just takes in a lot more effort. I would comment on the effect of British MPs saying Americans are wrong criticizing the NHS, but Keystone Phil is doing an excellent job of it. Speaking of the NHS, I sure hope I'll live to see the day British health is privatized.

People dying without healthcare is a lot of fun to watch, hm?

I wish people would stop with this assumption that "Oh no, everbody who isn't rich dies without nationalized healthcare".

[afleitch]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

Denial is more than a river in Egypt, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Perhaps one of your fellow Brits will take a stab at it.

What a pathetic response.

[Franzl]

Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

It says "Labour and Conservative MPs", not "Kadima and Likud MPs".

Meh, I still say Israel is third after Canada. It just takes in a lot more effort. I would comment on the effect of British MPs saying Americans are wrong criticizing the NHS, but Keystone Phil is doing an excellent job of it. Speaking of the NHS, I sure hope I'll live to see the day British health is privatized.

People dying without healthcare is a lot of fun to watch, hm?

I wish people would stop with this assumption that "Oh no, everbody who isn't rich dies without nationalized healthcare".

Didn't say everyone.

[Phony Moderate]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

Denial is more than a river in Egypt, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Perhaps one of your fellow Brits will take a stab at it.

Posting smug and condescending blather like that doesn't make you appear smart or intellectual, not matter how much your delusional mindset may make you think otherwise.

I'll tell you what a tragedy is. The fact that millions of people in the most powerful and influential country on the planet can be allowed to go through life without guaranteed access to decent healthcare. That's a tragedy, my 'friend'. The NHS, despite not being completely perfect, guarantees everyone the right to decent quality healthcare, regardless of income.

[Politico]

LOL @ the idea of NHS being anything other than a tragedy.

On what basis is it a tragedy?

Denial is more than a river in Egypt, so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Perhaps one of your fellow Brits will take a stab at it.

Posting smug and condescending blather like that doesn't make you appear smart or intellectual, not matter how much your delusional mindset may make you think otherwise.


I'll tell you what a tragedy is. The fact that millions of people in the most powerful and influential country on the planet can be allowed to go through life without guaranteed access to decent [waiting lists for] healthcare. That's a tragedy, my 'friend'. The NHS, despite not being completely perfect [inefficient and absurdly expensive for people who pay taxes], guarantees everyone the right to decent quality [waiting lists for] healthcare, regardless of income. [Politicians get preferential treatment, of course. Others must endure pain/suffering and maybe die while sitting on a waiting list, but it's only fair. Obviously it is completely disgusting that most Americans get high quality healthcare tests and treatments immediately, as do wealthy Britons who decide to seek treatment in America rather than bare the consequences of sitting on a list. The latter amounts to treason! Yay for queuing!]

Fixed.

[Politico]

Here's to hoping the British will keep thrashing the Republican ticket all the way up through the election.

Yeah, that will show 'em!

It should. Alienating our closest and most major ally - not only Romney but Ryan, too - before even stepping into the Oval Office does not bode well for future relations. Or have Republicans simply stopped caring about foreign relations with our allies now that it is not convenient or based in war, due to the fact that neither Romney nor Ryan have any foreign policy experience or military service?

It says "Labour and Conservative MPs", not "Kadima and Likud MPs".

Meh, I still say Israel is third after Canada. It just takes in a lot more effort. I would comment on the effect of British MPs saying Americans are wrong criticizing the NHS, but Keystone Phil is doing an excellent job of it. Speaking of the NHS, I sure hope I'll live to see the day British health is privatized.

People dying without healthcare [after sitting on a waiting list and being taxed to death for the privilege of such] is a lot of fun to watch, hm?

Fixed.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Politico, have you ever actually been to Britain or read any study of the NHS written from a British perspective? Yes or no.

[Politico]

Politico, have you ever actually been to Britain or read any study of the NHS written from a British perspective? Yes or no.

Yes. I firmly believe that queuing resources is never a good idea. The promises of socialized medicine are not realistic. Obviously good intentions, but poor results. It's the results that matter.

[Franzl]

Politico, have you ever actually been to Britain or read any study of the NHS written from a British perspective? Yes or no.

Yes. I firmly believe that queuing resources is never a good idea. The promises of socialized medicine are not realistic. Obviously good intentions, but poor results. It's the results that matter.

Britain's results are better.

[You kip if you want to...]

Politico, have you ever actually been to Britain or read any study of the NHS written from a British perspective? Yes or no.

Yes. I firmly believe that queuing resources is never a good idea. The promises of socialized medicine are not realistic. Obviously good intentions, but poor results. It's the results that matter.

The free market's made America the healthiest nation on Earth!

Please, have you seen the Governor of New Jersey?

[Keystone Phil]

Politico, have you ever actually been to Britain or read any study of the NHS written from a British perspective? Yes or no.

Yes. I firmly believe that queuing resources is never a good idea. The promises of socialized medicine are not realistic. Obviously good intentions, but poor results. It's the results that matter.

The free market's made America the healthiest nation on Earth!

Please, have you seen the Governor of New Jersey?

Yep, that is the winning argument...

[You kip if you want to...]

Politico, have you ever actually been to Britain or read any study of the NHS written from a British perspective? Yes or no.

Yes. I firmly believe that queuing resources is never a good idea. The promises of socialized medicine are not realistic. Obviously good intentions, but poor results. It's the results that matter.

The free market's made America the healthiest nation on Earth!

Please, have you seen the Governor of New Jersey?

Yep, that is the winning argument...

Pathetic statements deserve pathetic responses.