Whig Party Convention, Bird-in-Hand, PA

[Vote UKIP!]

I vote aye.

[Goldwater]

Aye.

[Lambsbread]

Aye

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Aye

[California8429]

AYe

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

Aye

[Talleyrand]

Aye.

[ZuWo]

Aye

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

AYE, if I'm allowed to vote.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Nay

[Pingvin]

Aye

[Supersonic]

This has been voted on for a good 48 hours, shall we consider it passed?

[Simfan34]

I say we shall. Any further resolutions?

[Supersonic]

I motion that we remove this from the Party Platform:

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It just seems rather, how do I put it... 'wishy-washy'. We already have the multilateral, anti-military conflict and diplomacy clauses on the platform; all of which as an EVUL neocon, I find very 'bleurgh'. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure every Atlasian is 'aware' of their nations foremost role in the world and is therefore naturally 'mindful' of its power.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I'm neutral on Supersonic's suggestion.

Either way, he opens up an interesting door... I wouldn't mind having a bit of a discussion on our military-related positions. As it stands, the other parties seem woefully prepared to lead our country to defeat if Atlasia was ever threatened or attacked.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

So I'm thinking, how do we reconcile what Hagrid has just with our own significant noninterventist view. It seems like proper defense has always taking a back seat to the combined left's desire for massive domestic programs and I believe that has been to our ill.

[Napoleon]

So I'm thinking, how do we reconcile what Hagrid has just with our own significant noninterventist view. It seems like proper defense has always taking a back seat to the combined left's desire for massive domestic programs and I believe that has been to our ill.

That is funny. I suppose our desire for massive domestic social programs allowed for the expansion of private health care, tax cuts and a balanced budget (actually a surplus)? I advise you find more effective talking points if you want to be a superpartisan.

[Simfan34]

I am opposed to any form of isolationism and therefore the removal of that part of the platform. Any form of isolationist thinking in the 21st century is incomprehensible and a symptom of a total lack of understanding of geopolitics, diplomacy, or economics. Atlasia may stand first amongst the community of nations, but it cannot stand alone.

[Simfan34]

I declare that the Whig Party primary shall be held on 9 September, 2012.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I'm neutral on Supersonic's suggestion.

Either way, he opens up an interesting door... I wouldn't mind having a bit of a discussion on our military-related positions. As it stands, the other parties seem woefully prepared to lead our country to defeat if Atlasia was ever threatened or attacked.

I believe that is taking things too far.... I have faith that even those furthest left would support a military response if we are directly threatend and certainly if we are attacked. However- I agree fully that their policies make the world more dangerous for our nation and would be open to new language in our platform which distinguishes our foreign policy views from theirs

[HagridOfTheDeep]

So I'm thinking, how do we reconcile what Hagrid has just with our own significant noninterventist view. It seems like proper defense has always taking a back seat to the combined left's desire for massive domestic programs and I believe that has been to our ill.

Appreciate the comment, JCL. I guess what I'm wondering is, what constitutes a non-interventionalist view, and do a significant number of us actually have one? In an ideal world of Whig majorities, would we go into Iran to pre-empt a nuclear attack?

Also, to clarence: I sure wish I could be as optimistic as you.
For example, conscription would be one of the most unfortunate things in the world, bar the total defeat of Atlasia. Unfortunately, I just don't have faith in 4/5ths or even 2/3rds of the senate to vote for it if we came down to a situation where the survival of our nation would depend on it. That's why I couldn't support the recent amendment.

Am I just more of a "Bush**te" than the rest of the party? I will stand with the Whigs regardless, but I'm curious to see what page we're all on.

[Supersonic]

So I'm thinking, how do we reconcile what Hagrid has just with our own significant noninterventist view. It seems like proper defense has always taking a back seat to the combined left's desire for massive domestic programs and I believe that has been to our ill.

Appreciate the comment, JCL. I guess what I'm wondering is, what constitutes a non-interventionalist view, and do a significant number of us actually have one? In an ideal world of Whig majorities, would we go into Iran to pre-empt a nuclear attack?

Also, to clarence: I sure wish I could be as optimistic as you.
For example, conscription would be one of the most unfortunate things in the world, bar the total defeat of Atlasia. Unfortunately, I just don't have faith in 4/5ths or even 2/3rds of the senate to vote for it if we came down to a situation where the survival of our nation would depend on it. That's why I couldn't support the recent amendment.

Am I just more of a "Bush**te" than the rest of the party? I will stand with the Whigs regardless, but I'm curious to see what page we're all on.

No, I wholeheartedly agree with you.

As far as I'm aware by looking at Whig members, the party is split right down the middle on foreign policy. You got the non-interventionist libertarian types, the paleoconservatives and the neo-cons. Hence the 'moderate-hero' esque foreign policy aspects of the Whig platform as a bridge to all sides.

[ZuWo]

Due to TJ's announcement that he would not seek re-election we should try to find a second candidate for an at-large seat as soon as possible.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Due to TJ's announcement that he would not seek re-election we should try to find a second candidate for an at-large seat as soon as possible.

Hmmmm....

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Due to TJ's announcement that he would not seek re-election we should try to find a second candidate for an at-large seat as soon as possible.

Hmmmm....

My thoughts exactly.