Is Obama still lying about Romney?

[milhouse24]

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-ad-calls-romney-problem-job-losses-china-211558697--abc-news-politics.html

Obama's accusations about Romney while at Bain have been debunked. 

Is he still lying about Romney's record while working at Bain? 

[technical support]

obama's attacks are working.

[NVGonzalez]

Oh they mad bro.

[Torie]

If this is the best Obama has, he's going to lose.

[ajc0918]

obama's attacks are working.

Oh they mad bro.

[Brittain33]

Is he still lying about Romney's record while working at Bain?  

Here's what the ad says:

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Romney continued to be heavily invested in Bain after he moved over to focus on the Olympics, and didn't cut ties to the company, so it's not complete b.s. to say he profited from Bain's moves to support job shifts in some investments. But it looks like weasel words in any case and just a small part of what Bain was about, and was happening anyway to lots of jobs.

[Torie]

Is he still lying about Romney's record while working at Bain?  

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Romney continued to be heavily invested in Bain after he moved over to focus on the Olympics, and didn't cut ties to the company, so it's not complete b.s. to say he profited from Bain's moves to support job shifts in some investments. But it looks like weasel words in any case and just a small part of what Bain was about, and was happening anyway to lots of jobs.

Was Mittens setting Bain policy after he left, or just collecting the profits?  Not that I have any problem with "outsourcing," since we live in a global economy, and that is what is needed to survive, but yes, the folks have not yet really grasped that reality yet - that lower skilled folks need to compete with the Chinese and Indians, and the era of just punching the time clock is over. If you want a middle or even lower middle class lifestyle, you had better have the skills, or become part of the food stamp class.

The single worst policy for America to follow is protectionism. That will lead to as "robust" an economy for the US as the Soviet Union was over time.

[Minnesota Mike]

obama's attacks are working.

Oh they mad bro.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Considering the GOP is having to create their own Obama to run against, your position is kind of weak.

[fezzyfestoon]

I do personally consider Obama's attacks to be embarrassingly weak and misguided, but they are definitely effective. The truth is so far gone at this point, it's silly to even bring up. The truth now is whatever the trending talking point is.

[anvi]

Not that I have any problem with "outsourcing," since we live in a global economy, and that is what is needed to survive, but yes, the folks have not yet really grasped that reality yet - that lower skilled folks need to compete with the Chinese and Indians, and the era of just punching the time clock is over. If you want a middle or even lower middle class lifestyle, you had better have the skills, or become part of the food stamp class.

The single worst policy for America to follow is protectionism. That will lead to as "robust" an economy for the US as the Soviet Union was over time.

I grant most of this, of course.  But sometimes it's not so much a matter of people "not getting it" than it is one of it being quite a challenge to keep up.  For example, "old economy" industries in manufacturing and "new economy" ones in computer programing became subject to considerable outsourcing in the span of less than 30 years.  Retraining for two, three, four different careers in one lifetime, while trying to raise a family and in the midst of a dramatic downturn in the most recent years isn't exactly easy on people.  Life can become frustrating awful quickly when it's spent chasing a shapeshifter. 

[WhyteRain]

When someone asked here the other day, "Can the economy get better before Election Day?", I replied that it's so bad that it was hard to see how it could get worse.

I was wrong.

Recent horrendous reports on manufacturing output (lowest in 3-years), wages (dropping), and unemployment (breaking multiple post-WWII records) show that no one's going to give a damn what Romney did at Bain 15 years ago -- or what he did in high school 50 years ago.  There's only one issue -- and James Carville famously said you were stupid if you didn't realize what it is.

[opebo]

...we live in a global economy, and that is what is needed to survive, but yes, the folks have not yet really grasped that reality yet - that lower skilled folks need to compete with the Chinese and Indians, and the era of just punching the time clock is over. If you want a middle or even lower middle class lifestyle, you had better have the skills

Dude, 'we live in a global economy' is a political choice, and 'having skills' will not make the majority of americans have economic well-being (and by extension, the country have a stable economy and well-functioning society) simply because under global capitalism there is room for only a tiny, minute minority of people to 'have skills' - just a few percent of the population is enough.

No, Torie, a 'middle or even a lower middle class lifestyle' has always been a political creation, not an 'economic' one.

[Vosem]

Yes, the ads are lying, even Yahoo admits it.

[Frodo]

Considering the GOP is having to create their own Obama to run against, your position is kind of weak.

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I am sure those birthers and truthers out there now appreciate the saying, 'what goes around comes around'. 

[opebo]

Considering the GOP is having to create their own Obama to run against, your position is kind of weak.

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What goes around comes around. 

Yes, and remember Bush's campaigns - his against John Kerry was nothing but fabrication.  It is hilarious when the Republicans accuse Democrats of lying.

After all, any rich person is a criminal in a general way of the sort that the Bain capital ads claim Romney is, so if the particular charges are a 'lie' is irrelevant.

[Lincoln Republican]

Yes.

[Minnesota Mike]

I am shocked, shocked that political campaign ads distort someone's record.  The party of Swiftboaters, Karl Rove and Lee Atwater gets no sympathy from me.

[Lief 🗽]

Hahaha Republicans complaining about people lying about their political positions. Funny stuff.

Seriously, nearly every single goddamn thing Romney or the Republicans have said about Barack Obama since he was inaugurated has been a bold-faced lie with absolutely no basis in reality. This Bain attack is more truthful than nearly everything Romney says in his stump speech on a daily basis.

[old timey villain]

Karma is a bitch. Did the Republicans really think they could get away with constantly vilifying their opponents without it coming back to haunt them?

Maybe the Bain attacks are distorted, but the Republicans get no sympathy from me.

And Lief has a good point. The Bain attacks are in fact based on truth, while the attacks against Dukakis, Clinton, Gore and Kerry were completely fabricated.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Considering the GOP is having to create their own Obama to run against, your position is kind of weak.

DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNER!

[All Along The Watchtower]

Mitt shouldn't throw stones from glass houses.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/mitt-romney-ohio-speech_n_1597556.html


And at any rate, it's wrong and unfair to say that what has happened in Ohio is somehow Obama's fault. The decline of the manufacturing base is a result of policies that go back decades, and some of those same policies have benefited firms like Bain Capital.

In short, Mitt Romney is full of it.

[anvi]

Mitt shouldn't throw stones from glass houses.

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Well, I'll grant Romney this charge about Obama.  But, if the sentence above were about Romney, it would have to read "what he says and what he says are not always the exact same thing."