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« on: July 06, 2012, 04:27:24 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 04:51:05 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?
The governing bodies of the mainline Protestant denominations are not representative of their congregations.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 06:07:13 PM »

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The governing bodies of the mainline Protestant denominations are not representative of their congregations.

Not only this, but polling trends over the past few years has shown greater public support for Israel, at slightly higher than 70%, while support of Palestine has remained static at slightly less than 20%. So the answer is of course not.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 06:35:15 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?
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Not only this, but polling trends over the past few years has shown greater public support for Israel, at slightly higher than 70%, while support of Palestine has remained static at slightly less than 20%. So the answer is of course not.

I find that just utterly hilarious.  It's like America is in some kind of bubble.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 07:29:32 PM »

Which Presbyterian Church?
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2012, 08:18:40 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?

Israeli propaganda, not Zionist. Using the phrase "Zionist" could be misconstrued rather easily, even though yes, in some cases, both of those phrases are one and the same.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2012, 09:35:28 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?

Israeli propaganda, not Zionist. Using the phrase "Zionist" could be misconstrued rather easily, even though yes, in some cases, both of those phrases are one and the same.

Not quite.  Most of the people who propagandize for the state of Israel in the United States aren't Israelis.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2012, 09:46:53 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?

Israeli propaganda, not Zionist. Using the phrase "Zionist" could be misconstrued rather easily, even though yes, in some cases, both of those phrases are one and the same.

Not quite.  Most of the people who propagandize for the state of Israel in the United States aren't Israelis.

Pro-Israeli propaganda, then. Using the word "Zionist" is just sinister.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2012, 10:09:21 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?

Israeli propaganda, not Zionist. Using the phrase "Zionist" could be misconstrued rather easily, even though yes, in some cases, both of those phrases are one and the same.

Not quite.  Most of the people who propagandize for the state of Israel in the United States aren't Israelis.

Pro-Israeli propaganda, then. Using the word "Zionist" is just sinister.

You're right.  Only a young person who's trying to be edgy would be explicitly radical about the plight of the Palestinian people, and I'm not like that anymore.
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2012, 10:29:09 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2012, 11:42:33 PM »

This is obviously basically just symbolic, since how many Israeli settlement goods are sold in the US anyway? But a nice gesture.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 12:40:01 AM »

The more support we can give to end the Israeli occupation of Palestine the better. 
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2012, 11:10:58 AM »

Just how is one going to determine where a good is made?  Is there a label on it saying "made in a Jewish settlement in Palestine?"
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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2012, 12:27:51 PM »

FWIW, the measure narrowly failed, 333 to 331.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2012, 02:05:24 PM »

Just how is one going to determine where a good is made?  Is there a label on it saying "made in a Jewish settlement in Palestine?"

Hence my point about it basically just being symbolic.
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« Reply #15 on: July 09, 2012, 04:16:56 PM »

FWIW, the measure narrowly failed, 333 to 331.

That was the vote for divestment.
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« Reply #16 on: July 09, 2012, 09:48:17 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?

Israeli propaganda, not Zionist. Using the phrase "Zionist" could be misconstrued rather easily, even though yes, in some cases, both of those phrases are one and the same.

Not quite.  Most of the people who propagandize for the state of Israel in the United States aren't Israelis.

Pro-Israeli propaganda, then. Using the word "Zionist" is just sinister.

There isn't anything inherently wrong as I see with talking about "Zionist propaganda" since such a thing obviously exists, though you are right that it often sounds pretty bad because it's not uncommon for actual anti-Semites to write things that basically are neo-Nazi rants except with "Jews" replaced with "Zionists".
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2012, 09:52:25 PM »

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Could this be a sign that Americans are finally warming up to the facts of the occupation, instead of Zionist propaganda?

Israeli propaganda, not Zionist. Using the phrase "Zionist" could be misconstrued rather easily, even though yes, in some cases, both of those phrases are one and the same.

Not quite.  Most of the people who propagandize for the state of Israel in the United States aren't Israelis.

Pro-Israeli propaganda, then. Using the word "Zionist" is just sinister.

There isn't anything inherently wrong as I see with talking about "Zionist propaganda" since such a thing obviously exists, though you are right that it often sounds pretty bad because it's not uncommon for actual anti-Semites to write things that basically are neo-Nazi rants except with "Jews" replaced with "Zionists".

That's what I mean. It can be benign, but usually (at least in my experience), someone who specifically uses the phrase "Zionist propaganda" is a anti-Semite. It doesn't take that much effort to simply say "pro-Israel" or "Israel" propaganda, instead of Zionist. Heck, you could use the name of Israel far-right/right-wing political parties as a legitimate term for Israel propaganda; Likud propaganda sounds decent as a descriptor for what it is.
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