France General Discussion II: Living under Marxism

[Hash]

I just read that in his last press conference President Hollande said he is thinking about electoral reform, including some proportional representation, referring to I assume National Assembly elections.  Would love to see this go through.  Would the current parliament go for this?

I'm not sure where you read this, because it isn't true. On the contrary, Flanby said that the 'democratic crisis' cannot be fixed simply by changing the electoral system (and then went on about 'simplifying the legislative procedure', which has been interpreted as officially burying an idea which the government obviously never had any real intention of doing anything with. Until now Flanby and his tools had pretended to keep the idea alive, so that the Greens would not go wild, but now that EELV is basically imploding on its own and that it serves even less of a purpose to the government, I guess he can finally bury the silliness.

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Can he try and ungerrymander (and then regerrymader in his favour) the map?

[rob in cal]

     Sorry, I'm having trouble posting links, but the article about PR was from "The Connection" France's English language newspaper, September 8, edition which says "Mr Hollande.... said he is considering voting reforms, perhaps introducing an element of proportional representation."

[Antonio the Sixth]

Can he try and ungerrymander (and then regerrymader in his favour) the map?

The legislative map isn't really that gerrymandered - and where it is, it's mostly to protect some local barons rather than to systematically favor one side. After all, the left did win a comfortable majority in 2012.

[The Last Northerner]

46 year old MP Bruno Le Maire enters Les Republicains 2017 primary.

His entry is called a "breath of fresh air" by the UDI.

[Zinneke]

46 year old MP Bruno Le Maire enters Les Republicains 2017 primary.

His entry is called a "breath of fresh air" by the UDI.

UDI really should just rejoin the Republicains. They will never back Hollande and even Bayrou will probably back a Juppé candidacy. Now that Borloo has gone it has no significant weight.

[Zanas]

Meanwhile, a municipal by-election was held today in Noisy-le-Grand, 5th or 6th most populated city of Seine-Saint-Denis (famous 93 département), both left-wing strongholds. In the first round :
LR 40.5
PS-EELV 39.5
FG 10.5
FN 9.5

FN proved its weakness in elections not under a lot of media scrutiny, proving once more to be a mediatical construct. FG entered in talks with PS, the 93 PCF wanted them to even withdraw without merging, so PS were quite demanding, plus many disagreements were noted on solidarity, housing, social policy, local democracy, so FG finally decided to run again.

Runoff :
LR 46.6
PS 46.4
FG 7
with a 8-pt increase in turnout

(approx. ; don't have the official results yet)

So FG lost a few voters to "vote utile" (circa 200), and a number of new voters tried to "save the PS" that ruled the city for 20 years, but it wasn't enough and LR won by 33 votes. Probably will lead to a new judicial trial though, the margin being so low.

That makes the right in control of 21 cities out of 40 in the 93, which is telling by itself...

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Seriously, if the legislative elections were held now, how many seats would the left save?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Seriously, if the legislative elections were held now, how many seats would the left save?

Presumably (and I guess hopefully?) that's their rock bottom.

[Antonio the Sixth]

That's it, the right has officially crossed the line.

Nuke this country.

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Help for us monolinguals?

[Antonio the Sixth]

A figure of the right just said France is a country of the "White race". Yes, for real.

[DavidB.]

Translation of what she said: "In order for national cohesion to exist, a balance in the country should be preserved, which means its cultural majority. We are a Judeo-Christian country - as general De Gaulle phrased it - of the white race, which welcomes foreigners. I want France to stay France. I don't want France to become a Muslim country."

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And when you say "right" you mean FN, right? This isn't the Republicans ... Is it? :0

[Antonio the Sixth]

And when you say "right" you mean FN, right? This isn't the Republicans ... Is it? :0

It is.


(I refuse to use the term "Republican" to describe them because it's particularly ridiculous in the French context)

[DavidB.]

Well, one FN supporter said something strange and stupid. Wooptydoo.

[Hash]

Well, one FN supporter said something strange and stupid. Wooptydoo.

Not so quick. The charming person who said this is Nadine Morano, a 'Républicains' MEP, former junior minister under Sarkozy's presidency and a former deputy in the National Assembly; a fairly prominent political figure. Granted, Morano is obviously retarded and one of the most stupid politicians in French history, but it doesn't change the fact that she is a racist sh**t or that this is but the latest in a never-ending avalanche of crass racism from prominent figures of the so-called 'Républicains'.

God help us all when (if?) this bunch of corrupt, incompetent racist buffoons return to power.

[DavidB.]

Well, one FN supporter said something strange and stupid. Wooptydoo.

Not so quick. The charming person who said this is Nadine Morano, a 'Républicains' MEP, former junior minister under Sarkozy's presidency and a former deputy in the National Assembly; a fairly prominent political figure. Granted, Morano is obviously retarded and one of the most stupid politicians in French history, but it doesn't change the fact that she is a racist sh**t or that this is but the latest in a never-ending avalanche of crass racism from prominent figures of the so-called 'Républicains'.

Ah, I misunderstood; thought that she was some FN person rather than a "Republican" and I didn't know that she actually holds elected office on behalf of the UMP. Yeah, that is somewhat surprising, and not in a positive way.

[warandwar]

Her non-apology is terrifying: "Je suis désolée, c’est un mot [race] qui est dans le dictionnaire, je ne vois pas en quoi il est choquant."
"I'm sorry, it's a word that's in the dictionary, I don't see what about it is shocking"

WTF?

[DavidB.]

Because all words in the dictionary are acceptable. Hmmm. Yeah. No.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Well, one FN supporter said something strange and stupid. Wooptydoo.

Could you at least look at the post literally above yours before posting nonsense?

[DavidB.]

Could you at least look at the post literally above yours before posting nonsense?

You're posting nonsense all the time, so I don't see a particular reason to change my posting behaviour. If you don't like my contributions, please by all means put me on ignore. And let's get back on topic.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Could you at least look at the post literally above yours before posting nonsense?

You're posting nonsense all the time, so I don't see a particular reason to change my posting behaviour. If you don't like my contributions, please by all means put me on ignore. And let's get back on topic.

This has nothing to do with liking or not liking your "contribution". You posted factually wrong information while the corrected facts are immediately available to you. You could at least have the decency to acknowledge it and apologize.

[DavidB.]

I just want to point out that you already took more time in being angry about this than I did in my factually incorrect comment. What's more, my reply to Crab (translation of what she said) was more useful than yours (hurr durr nuke it!1!) and Hash's explanation of who this woman is was useful anyway, because you didn't provide any information other than that is a member of the Républicains. But if you won't be able to sleep tonight because I accidentally skipped a comment of yours, I'm truly #sorrynotsorry.

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Guys don't fight that's just what Le Pen wants