SENATE BILL: Anti-Conscription Amendment (Failed)

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

A possible suggestion, similar to the amendments TJ and I wrote up when this thing emerged before was to place strict conditions
a) that it could only happen if the Atlasian homeland was attacked
b) that there were exclusions for single-parent households, students, existing emergency workers and other essential service workers

We could pull that language back out of the trash can if this fails and maybe the senate is more open to compromise than it was four months ago. I still think that language could be problematic in some cases, like World War II for instance, and prefer Ben's Amendment since it allows greater flexibility for any situation that might arise. I, of course, am still open to my language

That amendment passed the Senate.  It failed in three regions.

[TJ in Oregon]

A possible suggestion, similar to the amendments TJ and I wrote up when this thing emerged before was to place strict conditions
a) that it could only happen if the Atlasian homeland was attacked
b) that there were exclusions for single-parent households, students, existing emergency workers and other essential service workers

We could pull that language back out of the trash can if this fails and maybe the senate is more open to compromise than it was four months ago. I still think that language could be problematic in some cases, like World War II for instance, and prefer Ben's Amendment since it allows greater flexibility for any situation that might arise. I, of course, am still open to my language

That amendment passed the Senate.  It failed in three regions.

No, that was the version that gave the regions the power to conscript. The version that simply left the federal government with that power to conscript in case of a land invasion failed in the senate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye on Ben's amendment


February/March Fest (Failed in the Senate):
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=148095.0


Just in case someone wants to read over it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And of course October Fest (Failed to achieve Ratification):
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=140787.0

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 49:18:

Aye (6): Ben, Clarence, ILV, NC Yankee, sbane and TJ in Cleve
Nay (3): Scott, Seatown and Wormyguy
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): AndrewPA

With six votes in the affirmative, the amendment is adopted.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Okay, let's kill this thing.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Vote on Amendment 49:18:

Aye (6): Ben, Clarence, ILV, NC Yankee, sbane and TJ in Cleve
Nay (2): Scott and Wormyguy
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): AndrewPA and Seatown

With six votes in the affirmative, the amendment is adopted.

Seatown voted Nay.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Introducing this Amendment

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Nay, Senate is not representative of the people, IRV can elect enough moderate heroes that will vote for this, especially during a war.

Yea, I hate it when they do that.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You sure we don't have anymore amendments or anything here? We don't have that many bills left in the queue.

[LastVoter]

You sure we don't have anymore amendments or anything here? We don't have that many bills left in the queue.

Let's try this Amendment

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I think this would be a better amendment, anything can be declared an Ally or a territory, but it's harder to admit imperialist adventures into a state.

[Donerail]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

How about changing the name to distinguish it from other "anti-conscription" amendments?

[LastVoter]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

Their status needs to be changed, I find their existence undemocratic.

[Donerail]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

Their status needs to be changed, I find their existence undemocratic.

List of insular areas that are not states:

Palmyra Atoll (uninhabited, mostly owned by The Nature Conservancy)
Atlasian Virgin Islands (inhabited, status currently under Revised Organic Act of 1954)
Baker, Howland, Jarvis Islands (uninhabited)
Johnston Atoll (uninhabited)
Kingman Reef (uninhabited)
Midway Atoll (National Wildlife Refuge)
Navassa Island (uninhabited, disputed w/ Haiti)
Wake Island (inhabited, disputed w/Marshall Islands)
Serranilla & Bajo Nuevo Bank (uninhabited, disputed w/ Colombia)

Also: Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau are freely associated states and shall be eligible to join Oceania (part of the Pacific region) if they so choose.

Atlasia also has dormant claims on, under the Guano Islands Act:
Ducie Island (currently controlled by the Pitcairn Islands)
Fox Island (currently controlled by Canada)
Alto Velo Island (currently controlled by Dominican Republic)

So which of these do you want to alter, and in what manner (and I'd suggest doing so in a separate bill)?

[LastVoter]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

Their status needs to be changed, I find their existence undemocratic.

List of insular areas that are not states:

Palmyra Atoll (uninhabited, mostly owned by The Nature Conservancy)
Atlasian Virgin Islands (inhabited, status currently under Revised Organic Act of 1954)
Baker, Howland, Jarvis Islands (uninhabited)
Johnston Atoll (uninhabited)
Kingman Reef (uninhabited)
Midway Atoll (National Wildlife Refuge)
Navassa Island (uninhabited, disputed w/ Haiti)
Wake Island (inhabited, disputed w/Marshall Islands)
Serranilla & Bajo Nuevo Bank (uninhabited, disputed w/ Colombia)

Also: Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau are freely associated states and shall be eligible to join Oceania (part of the Pacific region) if they so choose.

Atlasia also has dormant claims on, under the Guano Islands Act:
Ducie Island (currently controlled by the Pitcairn Islands)
Fox Island (currently controlled by Canada)
Alto Velo Island (currently controlled by Dominican Republic)

So which of these do you want to alter, and in what manner (and I'd suggest doing so in a separate bill)?

Let all of them have a referendum on whether they want statehood or independence(the uninhabited islands go to the nearest Atlasian inhabited island). I think this is a non-issue though, why would conscription be justifiable for a uninhabited island?

[Donerail]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

Their status needs to be changed, I find their existence undemocratic.

List of insular areas that are not states:

Palmyra Atoll (uninhabited, mostly owned by The Nature Conservancy)
Atlasian Virgin Islands (inhabited, status currently under Revised Organic Act of 1954)
Baker, Howland, Jarvis Islands (uninhabited)
Johnston Atoll (uninhabited)
Kingman Reef (uninhabited)
Midway Atoll (National Wildlife Refuge)
Navassa Island (uninhabited, disputed w/ Haiti)
Wake Island (inhabited, disputed w/Marshall Islands)
Serranilla & Bajo Nuevo Bank (uninhabited, disputed w/ Colombia)

Also: Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau are freely associated states and shall be eligible to join Oceania (part of the Pacific region) if they so choose.

Atlasia also has dormant claims on, under the Guano Islands Act:
Ducie Island (currently controlled by the Pitcairn Islands)
Fox Island (currently controlled by Canada)
Alto Velo Island (currently controlled by Dominican Republic)

So which of these do you want to alter, and in what manner (and I'd suggest doing so in a separate bill)?

Let all of them have a referendum on whether they want statehood or independence(the uninhabited islands go to the nearest Atlasian inhabited island). I think this is a non-issue though, why would conscription be justifiable for a uninhabited island?

The issue arose based on your amendment, Senator.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[TJ in Oregon]

Why do we need to change the status of all these territories just to make the language work on an amendment? Why don't we just change the wording to include Atlasian territories and deal all the rest of this separately? None of this really needs to have to do with this bill. (Not that I agree we should forcibly change the status of our territories, but that's a separate issue)

[Donerail]

Why do we need to change the status of all these territories just to make the language work on an amendment? Why don't we just change the wording to include Atlasian territories and deal all the rest of this separately? None of this really needs to have to do with this bill. (Not that I agree we should forcibly change the status of our territories, but that's a separate issue)

Agreed; however, the Senator who introduced said amendment stated that

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[tpfkaw]

The amendment is unfriendly.

[ilikeverin]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

Their status needs to be changed, I find their existence undemocratic.

List of insular areas that are not states:

Palmyra Atoll (uninhabited, mostly owned by The Nature Conservancy)
Atlasian Virgin Islands (inhabited, status currently under Revised Organic Act of 1954)
Baker, Howland, Jarvis Islands (uninhabited)
Johnston Atoll (uninhabited)
Kingman Reef (uninhabited)
Midway Atoll (National Wildlife Refuge)
Navassa Island (uninhabited, disputed w/ Haiti)
Wake Island (inhabited, disputed w/Marshall Islands)
Serranilla & Bajo Nuevo Bank (uninhabited, disputed w/ Colombia)

Also: Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau are freely associated states and shall be eligible to join Oceania (part of the Pacific region) if they so choose.

Atlasia also has dormant claims on, under the Guano Islands Act:
Ducie Island (currently controlled by the Pitcairn Islands)
Fox Island (currently controlled by Canada)
Alto Velo Island (currently controlled by Dominican Republic)

So which of these do you want to alter, and in what manner (and I'd suggest doing so in a separate bill)?

Is that current with the Atlasian situation?  Whatever happened to Oceania?  Is that a state?  I feel like the Midwest claimed it at some point.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Isn't this just verging off into some random tangent...

[Donerail]

What about territories that are not part of a region, such as the Atlasian Virgin Islands or Palmyra Atoll?

Their status needs to be changed, I find their existence undemocratic.

List of insular areas that are not states:

Palmyra Atoll (uninhabited, mostly owned by The Nature Conservancy)
Atlasian Virgin Islands (inhabited, status currently under Revised Organic Act of 1954)
Baker, Howland, Jarvis Islands (uninhabited)
Johnston Atoll (uninhabited)
Kingman Reef (uninhabited)
Midway Atoll (National Wildlife Refuge)
Navassa Island (uninhabited, disputed w/ Haiti)
Wake Island (inhabited, disputed w/Marshall Islands)
Serranilla & Bajo Nuevo Bank (uninhabited, disputed w/ Colombia)

Also: Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia, and Palau are freely associated states and shall be eligible to join Oceania (part of the Pacific region) if they so choose.

Atlasia also has dormant claims on, under the Guano Islands Act:
Ducie Island (currently controlled by the Pitcairn Islands)
Fox Island (currently controlled by Canada)
Alto Velo Island (currently controlled by Dominican Republic)

So which of these do you want to alter, and in what manner (and I'd suggest doing so in a separate bill)?

Is that current with the Atlasian situation?  Whatever happened to Oceania?  Is that a state?  I feel like the Midwest claimed it at some point.

IIRC Oceania=Guam, North Marianas, and Atlasian Samoa. It's part of the Pacific.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Status: This amendment is now at vote, Senators please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Wait, what about my already passed Amendment?  Would this Amendment overturn mine?