You know what Romney actually is?

[LastVoter]

Well, we're down to three possibilities.

1. Politico is a TB with inteligence of a brain-damaged chickenant
2. Winfield was bored enough to make a second account
3. We're all an idiots fooled by an obvious troll

I'd go for 2 or 3, or a combination of those, he is too coherent for #1. Probably #3.

[King]

Well, we're down to three possibilities.

1. Politico is a TB with inteligence of a brain-damaged chickenant
2. Winfield was bored enough to make a second account
3. We're all an idiots fooled by an obvious troll

I can assure you that Winfield and I are two separate individuals with one glorious goal: Electing Mitt Romney as the 45th President of the United States of America.

#3 it is, then.

[Politico]

Mitt is wholesome, but he is smart enough to know folks like you aren't going to stop doing what you do.

Being selfish hedonists, as I playfully put it? I can't imagine the type of lifestyle one leads when they have a social score in the -8's.

This is an odd claim from a man whom lists a -4.85 score!

A Chimp trained to flip a coin, voting randomly, presumably, would have a score of zero. As a conservative, I would not tolerate being represented by a Chimp voting a random. Why should I tolerate someone whom would vote worse than the chimp?

I live an extremely conservative lifestyle, but I am also a "live and let live" type of guy. What can I say. Nobody can doubt my conservative credentials where it matters (i.e., economics and foreign policy).

If -4.85 isn't a basis for question your "conservative credentials," what is?

I have nearly +7 on the economics portion...

As do many of the people whom fancy themselves "libertarians."

A "conservative" is a person whom takes a conservative stand on both economic and social issues. You don't.  That's fine, but, don't lecture actual conservatives about what conservatism is.

I take a conservative stand on social issues, but I reject getting the government involved in most social issues. I reject all forms of intrusive Big Government whether it is intrusion into the economy or intrusion into people's homes for no justifiable reason. Did you not learn anything from the Terri Schiavo imbroglio?

Improving morality is best left to individuals and non-governmental associations. The government is obviously not good at it.

[Politico]

Politico, the law is.the codification of our morality. Governments legislate morality all the time.

Absolutely. I should have stressed legislating morality where there is no victim. For example, I believe people should be free to choose whether or not they want to grow marijuana and consume it. Not my thing, but if we brought that market into the open I think there would be no victims, or at least not in the same sense as we do with regards to alcohol, which poisons quite a number of people each year but should still be legal IMHO. I think the war on drugs has been a failure, and we would probably be better off allowing many of these black markets to become legitimate like we did when we repealed prohibition. To give another example, people should be free to choose whether or not to have oral sex. If there are no victims, and especially if we're dealing with privacy, government ought to be out of the way. You get the idea.

Well, prohibitions on the slaughter of dog for human consumption are purely the imposition of morality, and, as "victimless" of crime as the legalization of the slaughter of cows, pigs or chickens for human consumption. So, you are are for the legalization of the slaughter of dog for human consumption, no?

No, but I do believe we should put down cats with feline AIDS. Do you consider me sufficiently right-wing now, or do I need to suggest gassing said cats?

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Discordianism is based upon Mormonism. Perhaps it'll come out that Romney is a Discordian, so that he can be the ultimate ironic candidate.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

He's the American President from TV dramas made in countries that are not America. Seriously. He even has the hair and the false excessive mateyness. So he could, perhaps, be the first PoMo President.

Ummm.. Wasn't that Reagan? Wouldn't Romney be the first post-PoMo president then? (Then followed by Jimmy McMillen in 2016 who is made president "ironically")

Hmm... good point. But then Ray Gun was PoMo in a rather different way. Perhaps Rhymney would be the first Poststructuralist President?

[Simfan34]

Politico- the sole member of the American wu mao Brigade.

[BigSkyBob]

Politico, the law is.the codification of our morality. Governments legislate morality all the time.

Absolutely. I should have stressed legislating morality where there is no victim. For example, I believe people should be free to choose whether or not they want to grow marijuana and consume it. Not my thing, but if we brought that market into the open I think there would be no victims, or at least not in the same sense as we do with regards to alcohol, which poisons quite a number of people each year but should still be legal IMHO. I think the war on drugs has been a failure, and we would probably be better off allowing many of these black markets to become legitimate like we did when we repealed prohibition. To give another example, people should be free to choose whether or not to have oral sex. If there are no victims, and especially if we're dealing with privacy, government ought to be out of the way. You get the idea.

Well, prohibitions on the slaughter of dog for human consumption are purely the imposition of morality, and, as "victimless" of crime as the legalization of the slaughter of cows, pigs or chickens for human consumption. So, you are are for the legalization of the slaughter of dog for human consumption, no?

No,

So, you are against the government passing laws against "victimless crimes," except when you are for the government passing laws against "victimless crimes!"

So, among "victimless crimes," which do you think should be prosecuted [dog slaughter], and which do you think should repealed, and why? One thing we know for sure, it is not simply because they are "victimless," otherwise you'd support the legalization of dog slaughter.

[Politico]

Bob, I am not interested in this conversation descending into man-on-dog territory. As a wise admiral once put it, "it's a trap!"

[Fuzzybigfoot]

We should just sticky this thread.





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[BigSkyBob]

Bob, I am not interested in this conversation descending into man-on-dog territory. As a wise admiral once put it, "it's a trap!"

I understand that you don't have an answer.

[Politico]

Bob, I am not interested in this conversation descending into man-on-dog territory. As a wise admiral once put it, "it's a trap!"

I understand that you don't have an answer.

Here is the obvious answer: animals can be victims. Obviously we should ensure that animals are humanely euthanized in a manner that is painless to them.

Obviously there is no market for dog/cat meat for consumption in America because there is no demand for dog/cat meat.

As I understand it, only pigs understand what is really going on in slaughterhouses. Part of the reason why I do not eat pork. Pigs can be every bit as charming as dogs, too.

[BigSkyBob]

Bob, I am not interested in this conversation descending into man-on-dog territory. As a wise admiral once put it, "it's a trap!"

I understand that you don't have an answer.

Obviously there is no market for dog/cat meat for consumption in America because there is no demand for dog/cat meat.

Obviously, there are immigrants from countries where eating dog is a part of their culture. Since immigration has lead to a demand for female genital mutilation in the USA, it can lead to a demand for dog stew.You can try to evade the question as hypothetical, but it simply isn't.

Recently, the prohibition of the slaughter of horses for human consumption was lifted. Cases can be made for and against the lifting of the ban.  There might be good arguments for lifting the ban, but, the fact that it was a "victimless crime" is not one of them.

[Politico]

If the animals are being humanely euthanized so that they do not feel pain, and they do not know what is happening, there is no victim. Even pigs do not understand death even if they may know what is happening in slaughterhouses is something to fear.

Why do you think government can do a good job of promoting morality, anyway? Most government agencies can't even do a good job of pushing papers.

[BigSkyBob]

If the animals are being humanely euthanized so that they do not feel pain, and they do not know what is happening, there is no victim. Even pigs do not understand death even if they may know what is happening in slaughterhouses is something to fear.

Why do you think government can do a good job of promoting morality, anyway? Most government agencies can't even do a good job of pushing papers.

I don't see dog on the menu in many Korean restaurants in America. I do find pork on those menus. Seems like American cultural norms have been enforced by the government more than adequately.

Minimum wage laws, laws against child labor, laws against the importation of seal products, are all attempts at governmental imposition of morality.

So-called "libertarianism" is a series of empty banalities spouted with Emperor and His New Clothes indignation.

BTW, if you start talking like Ron Paul you can expect to drop to his level of support.

[Politico]

Sorry, but Big Government social conservatism died a horrific death in 2006. It is not coming back, so you might want to consider the idea of promoting NGOs that promote morality. I can get behind that. But thinking it is ok to take lots and lots of taxes and/or running huge deficits to have government trying to deal wih something it is not good at? I am always going to reject that. It is bad as getting government involved in gun control/safety. In general, adults should be able to freely choose how to best take care of themselves. Generally there is no serious problem where there is no victim.

BTW, I think you may be taking my general commentary about morals/victims a bit too concretely. There are exceptions to a general rule of thumb. I admit it can get gray (or is it grey? That new Liam Neeson movie has me questioning if I have spelled gray incorrectly my entire life). I am not a libertarian.

[All Along The Watchtower]

This thread makes baby Jesus cry.