Obama's Catholic hospital decision

[CLARENCE 2015!]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72345.html

I didnt know about this until today and I am offended as a Christian... I have tried to give the President the benefit of the doubt and believe that he is truly working for what he thinks is the right thing in terms of Obamacare but when he spits in the face of the nation's Catholics...

Imagine if this affected only Muslim hospitals. Hell- Osama was given full Islamic burial rights! The political correctness does not work both ways

You want to fire up the base? I guarantee this will be in every sermon across the nation on Sunday morning and we will vote for the Republican nominee- whoever it is. If Romney wins, I do not like the man but I will vote for him proudly after this decision!

[memphis]

Why do Christians have such a victim complex? Everything to them is persecution.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Majorities can be persecuted despite what some think... but because we are a majority (for now) it seems ok to insult us

Memphis- how would you feel if George W issued an executive order forcing Muslims to eat pork?

[Keystone Phil]

Those that complain about "the majority" having a victim complex: "Hey! We need all the pity! How dare you!"

[CLARENCE 2015!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc

This time I don't think the Catholic vote will even be close!

[Sbane]

Good decision by Obama. Just because you may work at a catholic hospital shouldn't mean you don't get basic medical care.

[DrScholl]

Overly dramatic much? Religion does not dictate what the law should be, it's as simple as that.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

Overly dramatic much? Religion does not dictate what the law should be, it's as simple as that.

Religion should be protected from government wherever possible... this is a violation of the separation of church and state- which was meant to protect the former not the latter!

[TJ in Oregon]

Good decision by Obama. Just because you may work at a catholic hospital shouldn't mean you don't get basic medical care.

Now you won't. The Church is going to end up cutting all medical benefits and paying the fine because of this.

[Insula Dei]

Good decision by Obama. Just because you may work at a catholic hospital shouldn't mean you don't get basic medical care.

Now you won't. The Church is going to end up cutting all medical benefits and paying the fine because of this.

If I understand what you're saying correctly , that would be a ridiculous thing to do (not to mention extremely un-Catholic). What happened to American Catholics' ability for doublethinking?

[CLARENCE 2015!]

This is what I don't undertand about liberals... religious freedom doesn't work with them if you're talking about Christians

[memphis]

Overly dramatic much? Religion does not dictate what the law should be, it's as simple as that.

^^^^^^^^^
But most Republican are Christians first and American last. Why do they hate America?

[TJ in Oregon]

Good decision by Obama. Just because you may work at a catholic hospital shouldn't mean you don't get basic medical care.

Now you won't. The Church is going to end up cutting all medical benefits and paying the fine because of this.

If I understand what you're saying correctly , that would be a ridiculous thing to do (not to mention extremely un-Catholic). What happened to American Catholics' ability for doublethinking?

Basically, the law would give them three options:
1. Pay for abortion, contraception, and sterilization.
2. Cut health insurance to their employees and pay a fine to the government for not providing it
3. Fire all non-Catholics and kick out all non-Catholic patients and students to qualify for a religious exemption.

From the comments of Cardinal Dolan, the Church seems most likely to do (2) if the deadline passes and the new rule is appied. However, the healthcare mandate will soon kick in and these people will have to find another way to get insurance. The Church probably won't be able to afford paying them more to buy their own since the federal government will make them pay a fine in addition. I've heard from various officials that the Church will under no circumstances consent to (1). The religious exemption (3) is a bit of a joke and the bishops are now sarcastically noting that Jesus wouldn't qualify for an exemption because he cured the sick without asking what religion they were.

The Church is really, really angry about this. Cardinal Dolan met with President Obama a couple months ago and apparently the meeting went well, and then the administration passed this rule and Cardinal Dolan recently said he feels like he was stabbed in the back. Last Sunday, the bishops had a scathing letter read at Mass outlining what has happened. The Catholic Church in the US rarely if ever mentions something overtly political like this from the pulpit. We'll pray for an end to abortion and something about the poor and downtrodden and usually leave it at that. Long letters taking government officials to task on something are not normal. My jaw was practically on the floor the entire time.

[opebo]

You're a christian, clarence?

[tpfkaw]

Overly dramatic much? Religion does not dictate what the law should be, it's as simple as that.

The law does not determine what religion should be.

[Insula Dei]

You guys actually pray for an end to abortion in Mass?

Also, would the Catholic church actually be required to pay for abortions? Seems like only contraception falls under this.

[afleitch]

I think it is equally as wrong for people to assume that Catholics are going to be enraged about this; they don't all adhere to the Church's thinking on these matters.

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Yeah, this seems to be only about birth control, not abortion. There's obviously no way any Catholic hospital would pay for abortions.

Still, this is just another attack by the government on privately run institutions. And I don't think there should be a birth control benefit anyway.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

You're a christian, clarence?

Sorry to disappoint but not sorry for my faith

We still pals?

[greenforest32]

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Theocrats are disgusting. They want exemptions from everything with the justification that their mythological stone-aged beliefs shouldn't be subject to reality and consistent application of the law. Churches first and hospitals/universities second. Pathetic.

[opebo]

You're a christian, clarence?

Sorry to disappoint but not sorry for my faith

We still pals?

Yes.  There are christians all over the place here - even BRTD is one apparently.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You want to fire up the base? I guarantee this will be in every sermon across the nation on Sunday morning and we will vote for the Republican nominee- whoever it is. If Romney wins, I do not like the man but I will vote for him proudly after this decision!

Hmmm, I have a tough time believing I'll hear about this on Sunday. I'll let you all know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc

This time I don't think the Catholic vote will even be close!

You seem to be under the delusion that most American Catholics agree with their church on birth control, when it's absolutely overwhelming in the other other direction.

Overly dramatic much? Religion does not dictate what the law should be, it's as simple as that.

^^^^^^^^^
But most Republican are Christians first and American last. Why do they hate America?

Hey now, so am I. That's why I won't say the Pledge of Allegiance, which most Republicans certainly wouldn't approve of.

BTW if I remember what Sebelius said on The Daily Show, the fines employers pay over not offering insurance would be used to fund the exchanges that their employees can then use.

[© tweed]

Why do Christians have such a victim complex? Everything to them is persecution.

finds a clear basis in the narrative of Christ.

[DrScholl]

Religion should be protected from government wherever possible... this is a violation of the separation of church and state- which was meant to protect the former not the latter!

Well, the decision is final and the church does not have veto power over the government. If Catholics don't like the rule, they don't have to provide the services that they do, it's as simple as that.

The law does not determine what religion should be.

As usual, your comments are hard to understand. What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

[TJ in Oregon]

There was no reason at all as to why this needed to be done. Sebelius and Obama did it just because they could. No one is going to stop them. They just argue that religious institutions are not exampt from the law. Well they wrote the f***ing law on purpose the screw the Church over. The Obama administration could very easily have given the Church an exemption. They didn't seem to have any trouble with exempting the Amish from the healthcare bill since they don't believe in buying insurance on religious grounds.

It will be a cold day in hell before I ever vote for that man. But then again it's been that way for a long time...