Whig Party National Conference

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I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

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I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

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I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

Humanitarian foreign intervention? Well intentioned, but it can lead to nation building. Are you in favor of that?

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I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

Humanitarian foreign intervention? Well intentioned, but it can lead to nation building. Are you in favor of that?

Absolutely not- having been on civic action teams in Vietnam where men were killed on a mission to build a school house, I do not want to ever get bogged down on nation building. I have made that very clear in my campaign for Senate also

I see. But do you agree that it is difficult nowadays to enter a nation with "humanitarian" intent and leave without at least contributing to some kind of nation-building? Is there any morality in enter a country, helping them topple an oppressive regime, for instance, and then leaving?

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I see. But do you agree that it is difficult nowadays to enter a nation with "humanitarian" intent and leave without at least contributing to some kind of nation-building? Is there any morality in enter a country, helping them topple an oppressive regime, for instance, and then leaving?

Humanitarian aid does not generally refer to entering a nation and helping topple an oppressive regime. It usually is more related to things like sending malayria nets to poor African villages that can't afford them or something like Haiti's earthquake relief. Sometimes we fund military groups or UN peacekeeping missions. I think these things often result in us ending up in fewer wars if done correctly.

Which is why I said "for instance."

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I believe yes- by humanitarian I mean genocide. I do not believe in intervening in a civil war or a dictatorship unless it becomes genocide. If we put an end to genoide and then hand over power to a group of tribal leaders, that is success.  Nation building is FAR more then setting up a government... it involves building schools and community buildings. In Afghanistan a major mission of our Navy right now is to subsidize and deliver crops to prevent rural farmers from getting into the opium trade- I would never want to get into things like that

I see.

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Fine, Ill join. There'll soon be an official announcement in my office.

xCathcon

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Mechaman wins Atlasia. You can all go home now.

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Alright, I'm in

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You know that this makes me look terribly silly after what I've just said about the Liberal Party?

Welcome, though. Beware: We're social conservatives.

I hadn't even read what you said about the Liberal Party

But yes, I know. I'll make sure you guys become social "centrists"

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Do I smell a primary coming up?

If I have to face Clarence in a primary, I will leave the party until the election is over. Not only am I positive that he would defeat me, but I don't want to cause a rift in the party. I want he and I to both be involved in this race, as I think we are both excellent candidates.

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Simfan34- I agree completely that 20RP12 and I ought to encourage our supporters to 2nd prefernece each other...I sure will be second preferencing 20RP12. With the left agreeing to high preference each other- this is even more crucial

I agree. I've decided you will be receiving my second preference and I will encourage my supporters to do the same.

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Since 20RP12 joined after he announced his candidacy, I would prefer that we simply not endorse a candidate, but I'd like to see both Clarence and he urge their supporters to make the other their second choices.

Why not just endorse both of them? Sort of like "the Whig Party officially endorses 20RP12 and Clarence for the Presidency, and encourages its members to weigh the merits of each when determining which shall get their first preference and which shall get their second"

This isn't a terrible idea(?)

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Simfan34- I agree completely that 20RP12 and I ought to encourage our supporters to 2nd prefernece each other...I sure will be second preferencing 20RP12. With the left agreeing to high preference each other- this is even more crucial

I agree. I've decided you will be receiving my second preference and I will encourage my supporters to do the same.

i'm sorry

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Do you have confidence in the current Vice Chair (vacant)?

[  ] Yes
[X] No

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I too shall run.

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Who should be the new vice chair of the Whig Party?

[1] 20RP12
[2] Simfan34
[3] Clarence

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Here's how I think we, as a party, should preference:

[1] Clarence/Yelnoc
[2] Napoleon/Kalwejt
[3] Oakvale/Cincinnatus
[4] Tweed/Bgwah

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I abstain from this vote. The Whig Party should be dedicated to our candidate and our candidate alone. Making official 2nd, 3rd, preference votes is unnecessary.

Then preference

[1] Clarence

and say nothing else.

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Due to his party switch (have fun in the new party ), 20RP12's endorsement vote is declared invalid.

Sorry, but switching parties is my thing But thank you

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Thank you for your service, ZuWo. You've been a fine chairman.

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Aye