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« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2012, 10:07:52 PM »

You seem to have this notion that things aren't improving. Last time I checked, the economic growth was accelerating and we have our best foreign policy in over a decade. America has never been safer.  
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« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2012, 10:09:02 PM »

This is why Obama is better in speaking platitudes than Romney, Politico.

Obama is the best speaker since Kennedy, probably, so there's no argument here. But being a good speaker does not make you a good executive, or make your Administration worthy of re-election.
But most importantly it gets you re-elected against clowns like Gingrich or flip-flop make a gaffe every 5 minutes Romney. I suggest you go dormant until 2016, your Romney clowning is getting annoying. We all know no important change will happen until then anyway(unemployment will hover between 7-10%, and no policy changes).

I care about America, and I do not want what you describe to happen. George W. Bush did not deserve re-election, and neither does Barack Obama. The nation cannot go on like this. I honestly believe that Romney will take care of business in Washington, DC.
Nothing will change until 2016. Do I need to repeat that for you?


We cannot go on like this. Do I need to repeat that for you?

And the fact you think Romney will fix this shows how lit myopic you are.

I know we cannot go on like this. Furthermore, I know with 100% certainty that sticking with Obama is not going to change anything. Therefore, I will take my chances with Romney because at least I do not know with 100% certainty what will happen. Some chance of improvement is better than no chance of improvement.
There's also the possibility of tea overdose, but you never considered that, the hack that you are.

Back on topic, we are seeing a neocon Obama moment.
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« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2012, 10:09:53 PM »

I had to turn it off. He's completely full of it, and I am starting to believe some folks are right when they say that he's a closet socialist.

You've officially lost it.

Obama clearly thinks the government is the solution to every problem when, in actuality, the government usually makes problems worse, or prevents problems from running their course. In fact, the government is sometimes even the primary source of some problems that they appear to have no association with (e.g., the Community Reinvestment Act and its role in laying the foundation for the sub-prime mortgage crisis). Sometimes good intentions can lead to unintended consequences. Sometimes a prescription will make you more sick than the illness.

If that's the conclusion you've reached, then you're critically misjudging reality.
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« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2012, 10:12:10 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.  All of this GOP fight made me really forget about how Obama really was.

We've basically been watching four minor league players competing for a callup to pitch a spot start against the Yankees.
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« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2012, 10:14:07 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.  All of this GOP fight made me really forget about how Obama really was.

We've basically been watching four minor league players competing for a callup to pitch a spot start against the Yankees.
I think Ron Paul doesn't really fit into this analogy.
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« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2012, 10:14:22 PM »

President Obama has left the building and Campaign Obama has entered the building.

Mitt Romney is so ******.
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« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2012, 10:14:48 PM »

Reason Boehner is speaker and not Cantor: Boehner's face=flat line, emotionless. Cantor's=angry, disgusted.
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« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2012, 10:16:29 PM »

Reason Boehner is speaker and not Cantor: Boehner's face=flat line, emotionless. Cantor's=angry, disgusted.

I've seen Cantor applaud more often than Boehner
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« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2012, 10:17:11 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.  All of this GOP fight made me really forget about how Obama really was.

We've basically been watching four minor league players competing for a callup to pitch a spot start against the Yankees.

Feeling the same.
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« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2012, 10:17:16 PM »
« Edited: January 24, 2012, 10:20:03 PM by Politico »

I had to turn it off. He's completely full of it, and I am starting to believe some folks are right when they say that he's a closet socialist.

You've officially lost it.

Obama clearly thinks the government is the solution to every problem when, in actuality, the government usually makes problems worse, or prevents problems from running their course. In fact, the government is sometimes even the primary source of some problems that they appear to have no association with (e.g., the Community Reinvestment Act and its role in laying the foundation for the sub-prime mortgage crisis). Sometimes good intentions can lead to unintended consequences. Sometimes a prescription will make you more sick than the illness.

If that's the conclusion you've reached, then you're critically misjudging reality.

What good did forcing banks to make loans to people who could not afford the loans do? It certainly did not help the people who took out those loans they could never possibly payback. Yet the Community Reinvestment Act basically forced banks to make these type of loans or face a discriminatory lawsuit. What did banks do? They acted rationally: Make out the loans, and then securitize the loans, so that they could shed themselves of the risk forced upon them. It led to be a nasty bubble in sub-prime mortgages. The Community Reinvestment Act is a great example of "good intentions, but unintended consequences."

What good did "cash for clunkers" do for automobile sales three years ago?

What good did the $7000 first-time home buyer credit do to the housing market three years ago? The housing market has still not cleared in most places.

What good did the $500 million loan to Solyndra do?

The list goes on and on and on. All of these liberals think they can spend other people's money better than they can. In reality, the government should only be dealing with national defense, law/order, and BASIC infrastructure. The last part, BASIC infrastructure, should be transferred to the state/local level as frequently as possible. Washington, DC has made it abundantly clear that they should not be trusted with more than those three tenets. Much of what they take in and spend should be transferred back to the states.
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« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2012, 10:17:19 PM »

all of Obama's talk about togetherness and common purpose is so divisive
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« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2012, 10:18:03 PM »

Why didn't he address social issues 😡
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« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2012, 10:19:01 PM »

Why didn't he address social issues 😡
Because the economy is in the sh**tter?
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« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2012, 10:21:01 PM »

Why didn't he address social issues 😡
Because the economy is in the sh**tter?
I'm aware the economy isn't doing so hot but if he would address ending abortion the economics would improve.
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« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2012, 10:22:04 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.  All of this GOP fight made me really forget about how Obama really was.

We've basically been watching four minor league players competing for a callup to pitch a spot start against the Yankees.

Most of America is not going to be fooled by his smooth-talking ways again. He promised the stars, and failed to deliver even the moon. They have not forgotten. And his blatant sucking up to Big Labor is not going to do much after he gave them the finger on the Keystone XL pipeline. That was a huge mistake, IMHO.
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« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2012, 10:24:38 PM »

Why didn't he address social issues 😡
Because the economy is in the sh**tter?
I'm aware the economy isn't doing so hot but if he would address ending abortion the economics would improve.
What planet do you live on again?
to Politico: sorry buddy, but this guy is a lot more entertaining to engage into a conversation with.
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« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2012, 10:25:16 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.

Most of America is not going to be fooled by his smooth-talking ways again.

I agree.  Romney's screwed.
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« Reply #67 on: January 24, 2012, 10:29:19 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.

Most of America is not going to be fooled by his smooth-talking ways again.

I agree.  Romney's screwed.

It is becoming more and more obivous to people, expect Politico and NHI that Barack Obama is on whole different level then Mitt Romney.

It is like choosing between Tom Brady and Alex Smith.........
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« Reply #68 on: January 24, 2012, 10:32:45 PM »
« Edited: January 24, 2012, 10:35:46 PM by Politico »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.

Most of America is not going to be fooled by his smooth-talking ways again.

I agree.  Romney's screwed.

It is becoming more and more obivous to people, expect Politico and NHI that Barack Obama is on whole different level then Mitt Romney.

It is like choosing between Tom Brady and Alex Smith.........

Obama is running on his record as president, not on whether or not he is the better speaker, which is obviously Obama's forte. That's what you don't get: People know Obama can speak. They do not like the results of the past three years. That's ultimately why they are going to dump Obama in favor of Romney. And if things are not better four years from now still, they'll dump Romney too. This is how progress is made.

When it comes to public speaking and politicking, Barack Obama is Tom Brady. But when it comes to executive records, Obama is Philip Rivers to Romney's Eli Manning.
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« Reply #69 on: January 24, 2012, 10:33:33 PM »

MITCH, YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE STOP YELLING AT ME.
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« Reply #70 on: January 24, 2012, 10:34:26 PM »

Daniels is okay. You can hear him gasping, though.
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« Reply #71 on: January 24, 2012, 10:34:55 PM »

You need to play President forever, on easy, and play as Romney. Hopefully it'll help you purge this and you can re-join us in the real world
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« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2012, 10:35:31 PM »

When it comes to executive records, Obama is Philip Rivers to Romney's Eli Manning.

Yes, Obama can rack up the healthcare law pages like the stat machine Rivers, but Romney knows how to get abortions covered in the clutch.
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« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2012, 10:35:42 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.

Most of America is not going to be fooled by his smooth-talking ways again.

I agree.  Romney's screwed.

It is becoming more and more obivous to people, expect Politico and NHI that Barack Obama is on whole different level then Mitt Romney.

It is like choosing between Tom Brady and Alex Smith.........

Obama is running on his record as president, not on whether or not he is the better speaker, which is obviously Obama's forte. That's what you don't get: People know Obama can speak. They do not like the results of the past three years. That's ultimately why they are going to dump Obama in favor of Romney. And if things are not better four years from now still, they'll dump Romney too. This is how progress is made.

When it comes to public speaking, Barack Obama is Tom Brady. But when it comes to executive records, Obama is Philip Rivers to Romney's Eli Manning.

Funny, Philip Rivers is a better QB then Eli.

So whatever it is worth, we will take it.
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« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2012, 10:36:48 PM »

After tonight, I''ll put Mitt Romney's odds of getting even 220 EVs at 0%.

Most of America is not going to be fooled by his smooth-talking ways again.

I agree.  Romney's screwed.

It is becoming more and more obivous to people, expect Politico and NHI that Barack Obama is on whole different level then Mitt Romney.

It is like choosing between Tom Brady and Alex Smith.........

The only people this speech will inspire are those whose vote were never really in doubt. To the undecided, this kind of speech does nothing.
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