UK General Discussion

[YL]

Nadine Dorries gets Tory whip suspended for going on reality show in Australia

Kind of difficult to talk about abortion with a mouthful of insects.

What the f**k is she doing.

Publicity seeking.

[Insula Dei]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/video/2012/nov/08/david-cameron-this-morning-video

Gotta give credit where credit's due: Cameron is handling this whole mess quite well.

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Not understanding the "gay witch hunt" comment...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Not understanding the "gay witch hunt" comment...

There's a (really quite vile) homophobic tendency - one that isn't as common as it used to be, though it's still around - to assert that all gay men are child abusers.

[afleitch]

Not understanding the "gay witch hunt" comment...

There's a (really quite vile) homophobic tendency - one that isn't as common as it used to be, though it's still around - to assert that all gay men are child abusers.

Which is why I was glad he brought it up. A lot of these gossip sites have that tendency and have 'named' swathes of closeted MP's and political bigwigs.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Grauniad is claiming that Alistair McAlpine is a victim of mistaken identity.

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Not understanding the "gay witch hunt" comment...

There's a (really quite vile) homophobic tendency - one that isn't as common as it used to be, though it's still around - to assert that all gay men are child abusers.

Oh, no, I know that, but what I don't understand is why he said it. I would've thought that even David Cameron was above such disgusting nonsense.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

So then. Newsnight. Can it survive after this fiasco? Does it even deserve to? And what might a new flagship programme of that type look like or be called?

[Silent Hunter]

Publicity seeking.

At the moment, she's merely managed to get covered in cockroaches and have to eat insects.

[Leftbehind]

It's terrible publicity. Career poison. I still don't understand her motive.

[Silent Hunter]

It's terrible publicity. Career poison. I still don't understand her motive.

She's probably going to get more votes than she'll ever get as an MP though....

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It's terrible publicity. Career poison. I still don't understand her motive.

It's not like she was ever gonna go anywhere with her career.

At least this gives her the chance to pull a Galloway or a Kilroy and go all minor party crazy.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It's terrible publicity. Career poison. I still don't understand her motive.

WANT ATTENTION

Besides, she didn't have a career anyway.

[You kip if you want to...]

Not quite sure what's gonna come of this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9685693/Conservatives-hire-Boriss-campaign-guru-for-2015-election.html

[afleitch]

Not quite sure what's gonna come of this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9685693/Conservatives-hire-Boriss-campaign-guru-for-2015-election.html

A majority.

[MaxQue]

Not quite sure what's gonna come of this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9685693/Conservatives-hire-Boriss-campaign-guru-for-2015-election.html

A majority.

So, no gay marriage before 2019?

[You kip if you want to...]

Not quite sure what's gonna come of this...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9685693/Conservatives-hire-Boriss-campaign-guru-for-2015-election.html

A majority.

If he can turn Dave into a Boris-style superstar, then yes.

Although, I'd choose a Tory majority over another Con-Lib sham.

[countydurhamboy]

The only party getting a majority in 2015 is Labour. The electoral arithmetic is against the tories, they would need to increase their vote share, which no party in power has done since 1974, to stand a chance. If the tories get rid of Osborne, they might deprive Milliband of a majority. As things stand now however, they will be swept aside.

[DC Al Fine]

The only party getting a majority in 2015 is Labour. The electoral arithmetic is against the tories, they would need to increase their vote share, which no party in power has done since 1974, to stand a chance. If the tories get rid of Osborne, they might deprive Milliband of a majority. As things stand now however, they will be swept aside.

If UKIP suddenly disappeared they'd have a fighting chance. Of course that's not going to happen.

[MrMittens]

The Conservatives need to get rid of David Cameron. He's poison to the party now.

[Leftbehind]

Except polling shows he's reliably more popular than his party?

The arithmetic is an important point. With a 7% lead the Conservatives still couldn't win a majority, and they'd need to extend that lead in 2015 if they were going to. Instead Labour's leading them in the polls by 10%.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The main reason why the Tories failed to win a majority in 2010 despite a large popular vote lead is the fact that a lot of constituencies that once formed part of their automatic total have been voting LibDem since 1997 or so.

[DC Al Fine]

The main reason why the Tories failed to win a majority in 2010 despite a large popular vote lead is the fact that a lot of constituencies that once formed part of their automatic total have been voting LibDem since 1997 or so.

Won't that change once the LibDems get destroyed in 2015? If they stay around 10% in the polls, there's like 25-40 guaranteed seats for the Tories.

[countydurhamboy]

The main reason why the Tories failed to win a majority in 2010 despite a large popular vote lead is the fact that a lot of constituencies that once formed part of their automatic total have been voting LibDem since 1997 or so.

Won't that change once the LibDems get destroyed in 2015? If they stay around 10% in the polls, there's like 25-40 guaranteed seats for the Tories.

It's very unlikely the Tories will unseat so many sitting Lib Dem MPs. The last locals showed the Lib Dems holding up in most of these areas. They seem to have a knack of holding on against the odds. At most the tories take 25 seats.

The moment the Lib Dems signed the coalition agreement, they lost about 5% in the polls to the Labour party overnight, thats never coming back. What people forget is thats increased Labour support in Tory marginals too. The Tories now have to make up for this up somehow, there is no recent historical precedent for a party in power in Westminster gaining this support.

This is before we factor in loss of support from policies like tuition fees and Public sector pensions.  Since the budget the government is lurching from one disaster to another. I really do not see anyway that the Tories can win on 2015.

I actually wonder if the party has much of a future left.

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I actually wonder if the party has much of a future left.

If they lose in 2015, it'll have been 23 years since a victory for them...