what if Paul holds the balance of delegates?

[bgwah]

Gingrich and Romney would come to a compromise before they let Ron Paul have any power.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

No, Paul and Romney would join forces and shut Newt out or Newt and Paul shut out Romney. Newt and Romney will NOT join forces.

[bgwah]

The GOP establishment will die before it let's Paul become kingmaker. Quit dreaming.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

The GOP establishment will die before it let's Paul become kingmaker. Quit dreaming.

If he did well enough they might make some concessions. If they piss him off too much he could do something like campaign for Gary Johnson and bring his supporters along.

[© tweed]

Gingrich and Romney would come to a compromise before they let Ron Paul have any power.

no system is so airtight, Young Squire.

[angus]

You overestimate the value of material wealth and underestimate nationalism

Not really.  Take the jmfcst examples:  Japan attacked us because we were sanctioning them because they were occupying and terrorizing the Chinese.  Okay, that's an oversimplified version, but bear with me:  The Japs were addicted to oil.  We had the oil.  We supplied the oil.  We cut them off.  They attacked us. 

Similarly, the Germans wanted Lebensraum.  Lebensraum means space for living.  Space for living means utility, wealth, can comfort.  How do you get lebensraum?  You march into Poland, kill the poles, and take their land.  Easy.  The Germans were humiliated from the terms of the Versailles treaty and having to take wheelbarrow-loads of Deutschmarks to the store just to buy a loaf of bread.  What did Hitler promise?  He promised jobs.  He promised industry.  He promised factories.  This is what people want.

Or, to take a more recent example, consider the IRA.  Back in the 70s you couldn't walk down a Belfast street without worrying that the next shop you step into might be blown up while you were inside it.  Bombings, explosions, mutilations, and deaths.  Civilians, women, and children killed and wounded.  What did the IRA want?  A free Ulster, they said, or a re-unification with Ireland.  But what did they really want?  Prosperity.  When you're unemployed and hungry, you're easy to recruit.  But what about when you're fat and happy?  Then it's not so easy.  Since 1987, the Celtic Tiger has been growing more prosperous, and also since then, the terrorism has diminished, until it finally stopped.

It's simple:  if you're content, you don't want to rock the boat.

[© tweed]

if you want a real history of what brought the US/Japan to war read "he Revolutionary Pacifism of A. J. Muste: On the Backgrounds of the Pacific War" by A. Noam Chomsky.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

You overestimate the value of material wealth and underestimate nationalism

Not really.  Take the jmfcst examples:  Japan attacked us because we were sanctioning them because they were occupying and terrorizing the Chinese.  Okay, that's an oversimplified version, but bear with me:  The Japs were addicted to oil.  We had the oil.  We supplied the oil.  We cut them off.  They attacked us.  

so, basically, you're saying:  "[it's the US fault it was attacked, we should have just carried on while Japan systematically killed 10 million civilians, and we should just carried on while Germany did likewise.]"

thank you, Ron Paul, now please go back to your Tower Seven theories and allow the adults to talk.

[angus]

so, basically, you're saying:  "[it's the US fault it was attacked, we should have just carried on while Japan systematically illed 10 million civilians, and we should just carried on while Germany did likewise.]"

At best, that's very liberally paraphrasing, and taking my comments out of context. 

No, I'm saying specifically that Bourbon (and Ron Paul) isn't overestimating contentment and wealth relative to nationalism.

[Peeperkorn]

You overestimate the value of material wealth and underestimate nationalism

Not really.  Take the jmfcst examples:  Japan attacked us because we were sanctioning them because they were occupying and terrorizing the Chinese.  Okay, that's an oversimplified version, but bear with me:  The Japs were addicted to oil.  We had the oil.  We supplied the oil.  We cut them off.  They attacked us. 

Similarly, the Germans wanted Lebensraum.  Lebensraum means space for living.  Space for living means utility, wealth, can comfort.  How do you get lebensraum?  You march into Poland, kill the poles, and take their land.  Easy.  The Germans were humiliated from the terms of the Versailles treaty and having to take wheelbarrow-loads of Deutschmarks to the store just to buy a loaf of bread.  What did Hitler promise?  He promised jobs.  He promised industry.  He promised factories.  This is what people want.

Or, to take a more recent example, consider the IRA.  Back in the 70s you couldn't walk down a Belfast street without worrying that the next shop you step into might be blown up while you were inside it.  Bombings, explosions, mutilations, and deaths.  Civilians, women, and children killed and wounded.  What did the IRA want?  A free Ulster, they said, or a re-unification with Ireland.  But what did they really want?  Prosperity.  When you're unemployed and hungry, you're easy to recruit.  But what about when you're fat and happy?  Then it's not so easy.  Since 1987, the Celtic Tiger has been growing more prosperous, and also since then, the terrorism has diminished, until it finally stopped.

It's simple:  if you're content, you don't want to rock the boat.

Quoted for being the only human being in this forum with a notion of International Politics Theory.

[tpfkaw]

Of course, if Japan were to send a detachment of its air force to Afghanistan in order to shoot down American planes and bomb American soldiers, I doubt many people would be claiming that isn't an act of war.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

You overestimate the value of material wealth and underestimate nationalism

Not really.  Take the jmfcst examples:  Japan attacked us because we were sanctioning them because they were occupying and terrorizing the Chinese.  Okay, that's an oversimplified version, but bear with me:  The Japs were addicted to oil.  We had the oil.  We supplied the oil.  We cut them off.  They attacked us.  

so, basically, you're saying:  "[it's the US fault it was attacked, we should have just carried on while Japan systematically killed 10 million civilians, and we should just carried on while Germany did likewise.]"

thank you, Ron Paul, now please go back to your Tower Seven theories and allow the adults to talk.

Ron Paul is the adult in the room lecturing the childern about how the government had gotten corrupt and out of control jcmfst.

Ron Paul/Mitch Daniels 2012 Tea Party REVOLution