Israeli Ministry of Immigrant Absorption pulls "offensive" ads

[dead0man]

le sigh

[BigSkyBob]

That's what I don't get...why the hell does he care how other people celebrate (or not) a holiday?

Jews are perfectly entitled to believe whatever they want about Christmas, and observe whatever holidays they wish. What they are not entitled to is a blanket absolution for using "Christmas" in an offensive manner in government ads.

[dead0man]

The people at fault have had their peepee spanked, they took the add down.  Do you need a personal appology or something?

I'm not getting your outrage is what I'm saying I guess.

[BigSkyBob]

The people at fault have had their peepee spanked, they took the add down.  Do you need a personal appology or something?

I'm not getting your outrage is what I'm saying I guess.

I want it acknowledged that I was correct in noting that the ad really was offensive.

[Ebowed]

Jewish attitudes towards Christmas are offensive because, apparently, Christmas has feelings.  Christmas is a highly sensitive individual.

What happened to stamping out political correctness?  Or is freedom of religion only applicable when it serves to justify homophobia?

[dead0man]

The people at fault have had their peepee spanked, they took the add down.  Do you need a personal appology or something?

I'm not getting your outrage is what I'm saying I guess.

I want it acknowledged that I was correct in noting that the ad really was offensive.

I have no idea if it's offensive or not, haven't seen it, so I really can't do that for ya.  I'm not keen on looking all that hard into it either, could you briefly spell it out, or maybe a little youtube link?

[BigSkyBob]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

[dead0man]

Not seeing the offensiveness there.

[Joe Republic]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

How outrageous.

[Хahar 🤔]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

Maybe that it's another religion's holiday? This really isn't that hard.

[ag]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

Maybe that it's another religion's holiday? This really isn't that hard.

He is ok w/ every religion, as long as they acknowledge Jesus as the Savior. Make sure, you put that statue in your Hindu temple.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

He is ok w/ every religion, as long as they acknowledge Jesus as the Savior.

This seems reasonable enough to me. What could any reasonable person have against such a reasonable proposition? Particularly given the ongoing War against Christmas, which, after all, is Christianity's most important religious festival.

[Brittain33]

Just to make this interesting and to pull back from some of the nastier assertions, here's an economist pointing out how bad Christmas is for the economy. No word on whether he's a Joo or not.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/is-christmas-bad-for-the-economy/249618/

I've heard this in Economics classes in the past.

[Torie]

Just to make this interesting and to pull back from some of the nastier assertions, here's an economist pointing out how bad Christmas is for the economy. No word on whether he's a Joo or not.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/is-christmas-bad-for-the-economy/249618/

I've heard this in Economics classes in the past.

Ah, the economic "waste" attending gift giving. Birthday presents should go too. Efficiency is our Lord and Savior.  The moral of the story?  Give cash of course!  I however will accept booze and/or pot as gifts in lieu thereof, if giving cash is just too infra dig.

[Хahar 🤔]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

Maybe that it's another religion's holiday? This really isn't that hard.

He is ok w/ every religion, as long as they acknowledge Jesus as the Savior. Make sure, you put that statue in your Hindu temple.

AFAIK, worship of Jesus isn't uncommon among Hindus. It's a very adaptable religion.

[ag]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

Maybe that it's another religion's holiday? This really isn't that hard.

He is ok w/ every religion, as long as they acknowledge Jesus as the Savior. Make sure, you put that statue in your Hindu temple.

AFAIK, worship of Jesus isn't uncommon among Hindus. It's a very adaptable religion.

That's the difference between monotheism and politheism for you )

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Oddly enough, today I came across a Christmas tree sugar cookie that had been baked in a bakery that was kosher-certified.

[The Mikado]

One of the ads shows a grandchild being asked what holiday they were celebrating? The child answers  "Christmas."

What's wrong with celebrating Christmas?

Maybe that it's another religion's holiday? This really isn't that hard.

He is ok w/ every religion, as long as they acknowledge Jesus as the Savior. Make sure, you put that statue in your Hindu temple.

AFAIK, worship of Jesus isn't uncommon among Hindus. It's a very adaptable religion.

They'll usually add in the "Jesus went to India to study" bull, too.

[ag]

Oddly enough, today I came across a Christmas tree sugar cookie that had been baked in a bakery that was kosher-certified.

Well, this, pretty much ensures it wasn't run by atheist Jews ))

Apparently, pretty much all businessmen would happily let a rabbi certify them, at least, if it would cost them nothing (if the services of the rabbi are paid for by some Jewish group, whose members would like to be able to enjoy the services of a certain establishment). Indeed, it seems like there is no reason not to: you become acceptable to a new set of customers. However, many of my fellow atheist Jews would rather loose money than let the bearded guys inspect them ))

[patrick1]

3. It is undoubtedly true that from a Jewish standpoint there is a gross difference between not following Jewish traditions and accepting gentile traditions. It is one thing to eat pork (in fact, to make a point of including pork in every meal) and quite another thing to get some of that red wine that symbolizes some shlimazl's blood in Christian services.

That is a rather ham handed statement....

Btw, What does )) mean? I see you and I think other Russians use it and have no clue as to its purpose.

[ag]

Btw, What does )) mean? I see you and I think other Russians use it and have no clue as to its purpose.

Nothing. It's just a reiterated smiley. I always forget that this forum makes :  )  into a yellow face.

[ag]

3. It is undoubtedly true that from a Jewish standpoint there is a gross difference between not following Jewish traditions and accepting gentile traditions. It is one thing to eat pork (in fact, to make a point of including pork in every meal) and quite another thing to get some of that red wine that symbolizes some shlimazl's blood in Christian services.

That is a rather ham handed statement....

Are you going to claim that that guy didn't have some major bad (shlim) luck (mazl)? Or is your objection to use of the world "to symbolize" rather than the verb "to be"?

[patrick1]

3. It is undoubtedly true that from a Jewish standpoint there is a gross difference between not following Jewish traditions and accepting gentile traditions. It is one thing to eat pork (in fact, to make a point of including pork in every meal) and quite another thing to get some of that red wine that symbolizes some shlimazl's blood in Christian services.

That is a rather ham handed statement....

Are you going to claim that that guy didn't have some major bad (shlim) luck (mazl)? Or is your objection to use of the world "to symbolize" rather than the verb "to be"?

Well, I really wanted to use ham handed with all the talk about pork.  However, were you the sensitive type you could get angry at the connotation that God is some sort of inept and unlucky person. Christ's death was not bad luck, but rather a fulfillment of prophesy and redeems our sins.

[ag]

Christ's death was not bad luck, but rather a fulfillment of prophesy and redeems our sins.

Well, I hope you won't insist that this also becomes the Jewish interpretation of this story?

[BigSkyBob]

Christ's death was not bad luck, but rather a fulfillment of prophesy and redeems our sins.

Well, I hope you won't insist that this also becomes the Jewish interpretation of this story?

The theological intrepreations are a matter of religious preference.

The idea that Jesus Christ was a good and decent man whom walked the earth is not. Some of his opinions have survived, and, they show him to be a good man and decent human being.