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« on: October 30, 2011, 03:53:14 PM »

Is there any form of economic activity whatsoever that you believe does not require "regulation?"  If so, explain what it is and why you believe that.  I'm asking because I hear that liberals are much more pragmatic than libertarians and don't just apply the same standard to every situation.
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2011, 03:56:25 PM »

None whatsoever? No. As long as the part of human nature exists where profit is put before safety or integrity, there needs to be regulation.

However, some things should be more tightly regulated than others.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2011, 04:09:23 PM »

None whatsoever? No. As long as the part of human nature exists where profit is put before safety or integrity, there needs to be regulation.

However, some things should be more tightly regulated than others.

This is a so obvious answer that I wonder why the question was even asked.

Oh, wait. It's wormyguy. Never mind.
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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 04:12:10 PM »

The absence of a law banning a particular economic activity, while other economic activites are banned, is regulation.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 09:38:01 PM »
« Edited: October 30, 2011, 09:40:30 PM by Link »

Is there any form of economic activity whatsoever that you believe does not require "regulation?"  If so, explain what it is and why you believe that.  I'm asking because I hear that liberals are much more pragmatic than libertarians and don't just apply the same standard to every situation.

If you define economic activity and "regulation" very broadly then I would be hard pressed to think of an economic activity that shouldn't be regulated.  In its broadest sense economic activity involves a written, oral or implied contract between two or more parties.  If their is a contract it must be enforced.  That is where the government comes in (ie courts).  Why?  Do you know of an economic activity that shouldn't have any government "regulation?"

What answer were you looking for that would indicate that certain people,  "just apply the same standard to every situation."
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 10:07:45 PM »

Not unless you don't think the courts should have a hand in arbitrating disputes, as Link implied above.
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 10:40:48 PM »

None whatsoever? No. As long as the part of human nature exists where profit is put before safety or integrity, there needs to be regulation.

However, some things should be more tightly regulated than others.

^ That.

Also, I am not a liberal.

Also also, this is an incredibly broad question and you do the issue a disservice by talking about "regulation" as such, because that is quite a naively abstract approach that doesn't always make sense in the specific.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 11:04:29 PM »

None whatsoever? No. As long as the part of human nature exists where profit is put before safety or integrity, there needs to be regulation.

However, some things should be more tightly regulated than others.

I'm 100% with this statement. If corporations could or would consider things that came before that almighty dollar, they wouldn't be necessary. But they don't, so they are. It's a part of realistic, humane economic practice.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 11:28:13 PM »

In the sense that you presumably mean, I don't see, for instance, flea markets or used bookstores--'traditional' retail in general, as opposed to big-box or supermarkets or the like--as requiring particularly much control or planning, beyond things like health and safety and insurance.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 09:53:34 AM »

In the sense that you presumably mean, I don't see, for instance, flea markets or used bookstores--'traditional' retail in general, as opposed to big-box or supermarkets or the like--as requiring particularly much control or planning, beyond things like health and safety and insurance.

I agree... but...

much≠does not

The OP was clear...

Is there any form of economic activity whatsoever that you believe does not require "regulation?"

I did not add the emphasis on not.

The OP raises an interesting point.  All the right wingers screaming, "I want the government out of my life" have to realize that that is a virtually impossible goal.  Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 03:02:37 PM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 10:08:16 PM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.

Somalia?
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2011, 10:10:50 PM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.

Somalia?

A perfect example of what only allowing the Feds such wonderful equipment inevitably leads to.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2011, 10:37:39 PM »

Are tort laws against fraud, and fair trade rules regarding limiting false and misleading advertising, government regulation?  Yes, the term needs to be defined. In the broadest sense, almost every human activity "requires" some strictures limiting "just doing it."
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2011, 10:39:28 PM »

Are tort laws against fraud, and fair trade rules regarding limiting false and misleading advertising, government regulation?  Yes, the term needs to be defined. In the broadest sense, almost every human activity "requires" some strictures limiting "just doing it."

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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2011, 11:06:32 PM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.

Now now wormy, the Feds are people too! Why shouldn't they get machine guns?
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 01:44:54 AM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.

Somalia?

A perfect example of what only allowing the Feds such wonderful equipment inevitably leads to.
Are you Herman Cain?
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 02:59:54 AM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.

Somalia?

A perfect example of what only allowing the Feds such wonderful equipment inevitably leads to.

Is this a real post?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a troll thread
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the posting history and seeeeeeee
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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2011, 07:48:28 PM »

Even in your flea market example if someone sold a fully automatic heavy machine gun to a muslim illegal alien at a flea market and the feds found out about it they would regulate in a big way.  And frankly I really don't see a lot of right wingers including Wormy complaining about it.  I bet they would want even more "regulation" (ie water boarding).

Oh Ziggy.  I would very much like for everyone to have a fully-automatic heavy machine gun, except the Feds.

Somalia?

A perfect example of what only allowing the Feds such wonderful equipment inevitably leads to.

Is this a real post?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a troll thread
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the posting history and seeeeeeee

*applause*
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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2011, 04:32:34 PM »

To the straw patch please.
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« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2011, 07:26:10 PM »

None whatsoever? No. As long as the part of human nature exists where profit is put before safety or integrity, there needs to be regulation.

However, some things should be more tightly regulated than others.

I'm 100% with this statement. If corporations could or would consider things that came before that almighty dollar, they wouldn't be necessary. But they don't, so they are. It's a part of realistic, humane economic practice.

Agreed. Though some regulation would still be necessary to ensure that other voices are considered.
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