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« on: October 10, 2011, 01:07:11 PM »
A group of Senators is trying to take away your right to elect representatives and have them appointed undemocratically by political party bosses!

Tell them no way in this thread and on the Government board.
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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 01:17:38 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2011, 01:24:56 PM by Junkie »
Quote from: Wolf Haley on October 10, 2011, 01:07:11 PM
A group of Senators is trying to take away your right to elect representatives and have them appointed undemocratically by political party bosses!

Tell them no way in this thread and on the Government board.

Who is trying that? Where?  I could not find it, but will keep looking.  I would be against dissolving elections, as what would be the point of the game. Is that what they are trying to do?

EDIT -- I found what you were talking about and I believe that is not a correct interpretation of what Bgwah is trying to accomplish.  There was a problem with the current system and he is trying to fix it.  I actually think his remedy is very fair to smaller parties that may develop and find a hard time trying to compete against two bigger parties.  Quite frankly, it wasn't bossism, it was statesmanship. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 01:37:13 PM »
I actually agree with bgwah's proposal as well. Describing it as us trying to undemocratically elect representatives is rather simplistic, but I am sure that is your aim. Ultimately if we adopted a proposal where we have a special election, it would overwhelmingly benefit the bigger parties and crush any voice minority parties would have.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 01:44:24 PM »
Quote from: Senator Duke on October 10, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
I actually agree with bgwah's proposal as well. Describing it as us trying to undemocratically elect representatives is rather simplistic, but I am sure that is your aim. Ultimately if we adopted a proposal where we have a special election, it would overwhelmingly benefit the bigger parties and crush any voice minority parties would have.
Agreed, a decent idea.
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2011, 01:47:06 PM »
Why should we let major parties appoint random "stooge" Senators?  Last time we appointed someone, who was it?  I can't seem to remember as he isn't with us very often Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2011, 01:56:25 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2011, 01:58:56 PM by yeoman shua »
was there a Constitutional amendment allowing for this? if not, I don't even see how FL 40-8 is constitutional, let alone this.

I would support something like a runoff between the next two highest ranking candidates.
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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 02:09:59 PM »
Quote from: Senator Duke on October 10, 2011, 01:37:13 PM
I actually agree with bgwah's proposal as well. Describing it as us trying to undemocratically elect representatives is rather simplistic, but I am sure that is your aim. Ultimately if we adopted a proposal where we have a special election, it would overwhelmingly benefit the bigger parties and crush any voice minority parties would have.

The truth can be simple. We vote for candidates in this game, not parties.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 02:14:46 PM »
I'm pretty much opponent of Senate appointments in general.
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Marokai Backbeat
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 07:59:49 PM »
Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Napoleon is absolutely right. That amendment is cuh-razy. Didn't Bgwah just recently pass a Constitutional Amendment allowing regions to fill their vacancies by special election? And now he wants to change at-large vacancies to appointments?

I really really hope that amendment is stopped.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2011, 08:03:04 PM »
If this awful amendment is passed, we have to do everything to prevent it's ratification by regions.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2011, 08:04:15 PM »
Quote from: Michael A. Naso, Jr.'s BDSM on October 10, 2011, 08:03:04 PM
If this awful amendment is passed, we have to do everything to prevent it's ratification by regions.

It isn't a constitutional amendment.
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« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2011, 08:09:55 PM »
Quote from: Marokai Breakneck on October 10, 2011, 07:59:49 PM
Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Napoleon is absolutely right. That amendment is cuh-razy. Didn't Bgwah just recently pass a Constitutional Amendment allowing regions to fill their vacancies by special election? And now he wants to change at-large vacancies to appointments?

I really really hope that amendment is stopped.
Really it was my idea, and bgwah wasn't the most enthusiastic about it though he voted in favor.
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« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2011, 08:12:59 PM »
Quote from: yeoman shua on October 10, 2011, 08:09:55 PM
Quote from: Marokai Breakneck on October 10, 2011, 07:59:49 PM
Can't believe I'm about to say this, but Napoleon is absolutely right. That amendment is cuh-razy. Didn't Bgwah just recently pass a Constitutional Amendment allowing regions to fill their vacancies by special election? And now he wants to change at-large vacancies to appointments?

I really really hope that amendment is stopped.

Really it was my idea, and bgwah wasn't the most enthusiastic about it though he voted in favor.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification.
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« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 08:16:40 PM »
My Administration (all 4 weeks remaining of it) will not support this measure as is stands.
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« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 08:52:53 PM »
I'm opposed to this as well.
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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 02:20:48 AM »
LOL Napoleon
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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2011, 02:22:12 AM »

Did you have something to say?
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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2011, 02:24:54 AM »

Come on, mate. You're better than that, I know you are.
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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2011, 02:40:30 AM »
I always like it when something I propose ends up being controversial Tongue
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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2011, 04:41:43 PM »

What's your problem now?
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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2011, 04:51:04 PM »

Come on Tony...really?
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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2011, 04:56:07 PM »
It's a shame to see one of our best former Senators rudely dismissing one of our best current Senators. Sad
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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2011, 05:10:18 PM »
You know I always assumed Antonio really didn't want me to become a Senator. I tried to work closely with Antonio when I was first elected but eventually he started making these sort of petty attacks all the time. It is really a shame.
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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2011, 05:14:10 PM »
Very libertasque statement from Antonio, who, ironically, accused Napoleon of being "new Libertas".
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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2011, 05:21:48 PM »
At least tell us you got something more than "LOL Napoleon" Antonio!

I'd at least expect that from you.
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