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Tender Branson
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« on: September 15, 2011, 02:23:16 AM »

Obama Approval:

47% Approve
48% Disapprove

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Adults:

51-39 Obama vs. Romney
51-39 Obama vs. Perry
51-38 Obama vs. Paul
52-34 Obama vs. Huntsman
54-34 Obama vs. Bachmann

Registered Voters:

49-43 Obama vs. Romney
49-42 Obama vs. Paul
50-42 Obama vs. Perry
51-37 Obama vs. Huntsman
54-36 Obama vs. Bachmann

http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=10985
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 05:07:50 AM »

Great numbers for Ron Paul.

I'm sure Obama is rooting for a Bachmann comeback! Those aren't bad numbers for him either though.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 08:53:24 AM »

Great numbers for Ron Paul.

I'm sure Obama is rooting for a Bachmann comeback! Those aren't bad numbers for him either though.

Those numbers aren't great for Paul. Those numbers are bad for any GOPer.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 03:13:17 PM »

sample: D +9

Joke poll. Next.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2011, 03:17:29 PM »


It also has 39% Republican ID, which is a huge overestimate.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2011, 04:16:39 PM »


Oh, Jesus. I posted this in response to one of your comments on another poll, and it's worth mentioning again -


Do you dismiss every poll you don't like? I'm seeing a pattern.

Garbage poll again...

Sample party id: D +8

gallup party id amongst CO adult population: R +1
sample is D + 13...

Gallup party id amongst NC adult population is D + 4

Garbage poll...


Fun fact: An "outlier" is not merely a poll you don't like the result of.
 
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2011, 04:19:55 PM »

It is always easy to dismiss polls than discuss their implications if the party you support is on the wrong side
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2011, 07:23:12 PM »

It is always easy to dismiss polls than discuss their implications if the party you support is on the wrong side

See Democrats, Rasmussen, 2010.
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2011, 12:26:19 PM »

There should be a lot more independents... no?
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2011, 02:21:01 PM »


Oh, Jesus. I posted this in response to one of your comments on another poll, and it's worth mentioning again -


Do you dismiss every poll you don't like? I'm seeing a pattern.

Garbage poll again...

Sample party id: D +8

gallup party id amongst CO adult population: R +1
sample is D + 13...

Gallup party id amongst NC adult population is D + 4

Garbage poll...


Fun fact: An "outlier" is not merely a poll you don't like the result of.
 

I don't trust gallup even... Any national  poll with D +9 or R +9 like sample  is garbage.
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2011, 03:04:47 PM »


Oh, Jesus. I posted this in response to one of your comments on another poll, and it's worth mentioning again -


Do you dismiss every poll you don't like? I'm seeing a pattern.

Garbage poll again...

Sample party id: D +8

gallup party id amongst CO adult population: R +1
sample is D + 13...

Gallup party id amongst NC adult population is D + 4

Garbage poll...


Fun fact: An "outlier" is not merely a poll you don't like the result of.
 

I don't trust gallup even... Any national  poll with D +9 or R +9 like sample  is garbage.

What do you expect it to be exactly?
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2011, 06:37:19 PM »

One of the best tests for the validity of a current poll is how the sample matches to the previous election. As an example, PPP had a poll Missouri in which the respondents answered a question like this

Q10. For which of the two did you vote in 2008 (alternate):


         John McCain      47%
         Barack Obama   45%

(I don't have an exact quote, so don't contradict me).

Such is very close to how people voted in Missouri in 2008. Such results would be somewhat wrong for Ohio (where they would be inverted) and really wrong for Texas or Pennsylvania.  The margin for either on an analogous question for either state should be about 12% (and you know what way) barring huge demographic change. The 2010 election did not have a huge number of new young voters.

...I have seen many polls that show a sub-50% approval rating for the President but the President defeating every imaginable Republican challenger. Sure, it is theoretically possible for some charismatic Republican to enter the primaries, say the right things to appeal to moderates from then until November 2012, and then defeat President Obama.  But as things are, it is effectively down to Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, neither of whom leads in face-to-face matchups for now.     





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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 01:39:51 PM »

One of the best tests for the validity of a current poll is how the sample matches to the previous election. As an example, PPP had a poll Missouri in which the respondents answered a question like this

Q10. For which of the two did you vote in 2008 (alternate):


         John McCain      47%
         Barack Obama   45%

(I don't have an exact quote, so don't contradict me).

Such is very close to how people voted in Missouri in 2008. Such results would be somewhat wrong for Ohio (where they would be inverted) and really wrong for Texas or Pennsylvania.  The margin for either on an analogous question for either state should be about 12% (and you know what way) barring huge demographic change. The 2010 election did not have a huge number of new young voters.

...I have seen many polls that show a sub-50% approval rating for the President but the President defeating every imaginable Republican challenger. Sure, it is theoretically possible for some charismatic Republican to enter the primaries, say the right things to appeal to moderates from then until November 2012, and then defeat President Obama.  But as things are, it is effectively down to Mitt Romney and Rick Perry, neither of whom leads in face-to-face matchups for now.     







In 2004, I remember than vorlon disagreed with that because some people forget, lie,... I prefer party id.

In 2012 and at national level, I consider that democrats will have a small advantage on republicans, like usual... but certainly not like in 2008. D +2 or +3 seem good for me.  Hence, a sample with D +7 or more is a total joke and must be corrected.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 04:17:11 PM »

In 2004, I remember than vorlon disagreed with that because some people forget, lie,... I prefer party id.

Indeed.  People lie on that question all the time.  If a president is unpopular, then voters mysteriously remember themselves voting for his opponent.
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