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The Vorlon
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« on: September 02, 2011, 05:36:31 PM »
« edited: September 02, 2011, 06:37:42 PM by The Vorlon »

Will

1) - Obama "Go Big" and proposes Stimulus (Part Duex) knowing it's dead, and then try to blame the GOP for their being no jobs...

Or

2) will Obama propose a few things that could actually get past congress....

Government help for home owners to refinance at lower rates (ie let those "underwater" at least be underwater at a lower interest rate)...?

A few international trade agreements?
Foreign profit repatriation "holiday'..?
Regulatory review....?
Accelerated depreciation on new capital equipment?
A second stimulus package.
Increasing infrastructure spending.
Extending the payroll tax cut.
Providing tax credits for businesses that hire unemployed workers.
Halting EPA regulations.
Lowering the corporate tax rate.

Or

3) A speech with some sizzle but no actual steak....?

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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2011, 06:20:24 PM »

Big or bust
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2011, 06:39:46 PM »

2 or 3, and hopefully 2.
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2011, 06:47:27 PM »

A mix of 1 and 2 -it's worth keeping in mind that the GOP wants to have the economy continue to limp along at President Obama's expense without actually making it look as if they are deliberately undermining the recovery for political gain.  So anything that smacks of actually encouraging job growth while Obama is still in office will naturally be DOA in the House.   Of course, Obama is such a sap that he will include elements he thinks can pass Congress -but they won't because the GOP has such a vested interest in seeing him return to teaching constitutional law in Chicago that they will do absolutely anything to ensure it. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2011, 08:04:14 PM »

Obama's package will be big, as it always has been.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2011, 09:25:20 PM »



1) It will have an insanely high price tag.

2) The projects will be subeconomic.

3) It will be structured to exclusively employee union workers during the construction.

4) It will create a very limited number of jobs working for subeconomic quasi-public monopolies. Since it is a monopoly, the workers will be very highly paid. Those jobs will by filled by patronage appointees.

5) The permanent jobs will be unionized.

6) Net unemployment will rise.
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2011, 11:23:43 PM »

Obama's package will be big, as it always has been.

Well, he is black.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2011, 03:45:11 AM »


they were jealous then, they will be jealous again.

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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 03:51:38 AM »



1) It will have an insanely high price tag.

2) The projects will be subeconomic.

3) It will be structured to exclusively employee union workers during the construction.

4) It will create a very limited number of jobs working for subeconomic quasi-public monopolies. Since it is a monopoly, the workers will be very highly paid. Those jobs will by filled by patronage appointees.

5) The permanent jobs will be unionized.

6) Net unemployment will rise.

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2011, 07:03:07 AM »
« Edited: September 03, 2011, 11:26:03 AM by J. J. »


they were jealous then, they will be jealous again.



Considering the economy is slumping, this might not be a good analogy.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2011, 07:58:23 AM »

It will be some wishy washy moderate hero proposal that countless Republicans have supported frequently in the past. Then, we'll get an endless barage of Republicans saying that his proposals are socialist, job-killing, heavy handed, government spending and that only tax cuts for richers can save us. Same as it ever was.
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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2011, 02:46:35 PM »

Just redo this speech. Recovery summer 2010.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38654.html

Vice President Joe Biden today will kick off the Obama administration’s “Recovery Summer,” a six-week-long push designed to highlight the jobs accompanying a surge in stimulus-funded projects to improve highways, parks, drinking water and other public works.
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2011, 03:02:08 PM »

1) Spending

2) Regulation

3) Spending

4) Blaming Bush when steps 1-3 fail

5) Spending

6) More regulation

7) Vacation

8) Repeat step 4, but for steps 5 and 6

9) Bickering between GOP and Obama

10) Blame Bush again

11) Rinse and repeat until Nat'l Debt soars above 20 tril.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2011, 04:27:34 PM »

He gives a laundry list of suggestions, the pubs pooh pooh it, he declines to fight for any of it.  The End.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2011, 05:04:12 PM »
« Edited: September 03, 2011, 05:07:54 PM by greenforest32 »

More center-right policies (tax cuts, deregulation, privatization) and then blame both parties for the GOP's obstructionism. He doesn't have the spine to support a second stimulus. Hell the first one was too small and spent in the wrong areas.

Obama is a neoliberal failure.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2011, 05:26:49 PM »



1) It will have an insanely high price tag.

2) The projects will be subeconomic.

3) It will be structured to exclusively employee union workers during the construction.

4) It will create a very limited number of jobs working for subeconomic quasi-public monopolies. Since it is a monopoly, the workers will be very highly paid. Those jobs will by filled by patronage appointees.

5) The permanent jobs will be unionized.

6) Net unemployment will rise.

So same as the first "stimulus" package then....... ok....
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2011, 06:26:01 PM »



1) It will have an insanely high price tag.

2) The projects will be subeconomic.

3) It will be structured to exclusively employee union workers during the construction.

4) It will create a very limited number of jobs working for subeconomic quasi-public monopolies. Since it is a monopoly, the workers will be very highly paid. Those jobs will by filled by patronage appointees.

5) The permanent jobs will be unionized.

6) Net unemployment will rise.

So same as the first "stimulus" package then....... ok....

Yes.
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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 11:17:02 PM »

It really makes me laugh at how the right on here are saying it will be some big liberal proposal while the left is certain it will be a moderately conservative bust.

Oh how American politics never change.Wink
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2011, 02:25:36 PM »


...apparently the president, drafting his speech, has notice a couple of things; since so,has summoned Speaker Boehner for consultation prior to the campaign presentation speech.

 Best I can make of the speech, based on this past labor day politics is;

3 references to jobs,
6 insults,
2 blames,
57 walkouts, so to fairly represent all 57 states.


 
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2011, 09:29:14 PM »


...apparently the president, drafting his speech, has notice a couple of things; since so,has summoned Speaker Boehner for consultation prior to the campaign presentation speech.

 Best I can make of the speech, based on this past labor day politics is;

3 references to jobs,
6 insults,
2 blames,
57 walkouts, so to fairly represent all 57 states.


 
apologies, I miswrote, it seems speaker Boehner did the "what's up' with the pres., which he learned, not much, so now, speaker Boehner has decided, with that there being nothing to score or legislate, putting forth any GOP response wasn't necessary. Haven't heard if SCOTUS is going to show, one would think they'd be curious if constitution order was any longer needed.


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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2011, 10:02:41 PM »

Doesn't matter. Not going to change his poll numbers in the long-run, and the Republicans will block literally anything that could possibly create a single job, so that they can destroy the economy as much as possible and ensure Obama's defeat.
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2011, 12:35:08 AM »

Doesn't matter. Not going to change his poll numbers in the long-run, and the Republicans will block literally anything that could possibly create a single job, so that they can destroy the economy as much as possible and ensure Obama's defeat.

Actually, the Vorlon suggested some things that both could pass and actually work.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2011, 02:07:51 AM »

Completely useless neo-liberal garbage like he's (nearly) always delivered. In this case that means payroll tax breaks.

Talk about rearranging the deckchairs.
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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2011, 09:37:02 AM »
« Edited: September 07, 2011, 09:39:21 AM by Torie »

Here's a hint. Nothing about energy (and I mean the kind that turns a real profit - not the uneconomical green kind which doesn't, and will need big government subsidies or mandates which will just be like another sales tax) and lots about shoveling more money to state and local governments (and we know where that goes).  It is good that the Pubbies are there to tank this ugly duckling in its bathtub.  I assume Obama knows its DOA.  Just why he thinks it will round up votes for him escapes me. Hey, let's do shovel ready projects unlike last time, run up the deficit some more to keep public employees employed and pensioned, and extend unemployment benefits some more to give folks an incentive not to look for work, and cut payroll taxes when what business is really looking for is some assurance about the long term.  IMO it sucks. Hopefully he will have one or two more useful ideas to present, but I am not holding my breath. Yes, yes, the trade deals, which are fine, but a fart in a windstorm.
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2011, 10:16:13 AM »

Doesn't matter. Not going to change his poll numbers in the long-run, and the Republicans will block literally anything that could possibly create a single job, so that they can destroy the economy as much as possible and ensure Obama's defeat.

Obama's economic policies have failed. The notion that refusing to attempt the same failed policies one more time is really sabotage is a rather bizarre conspiracy theory.
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